Setelah membaca berita terbaharu buletin parti-parti politik bukan Melayu, Malaysiakini dan Malaysianinsider mengenai patriotisme, saya fikir kita sudah tidak rasional dan profesional dalam membincangkan isu ini. Niat tersembunyi mereka semakin terserlah, termasuk menemubual bekas tentera bukan Melayu yang telah bersara, dengan provokasi tertentu, agar individu tertentu menjadi sasaran bagi mendapatkan political mileage. Apakah perancangan halus sebegini masih tidak dapat membuka mata hati kita?
Ternyata pemahaman mereka terhadap makna patriotisme tersasar jauh. Mereka begitu beriya-iya menonjolkan Malayan People’s Anti Japanese Army (MPAJA) sebagai ikon dan hujah kuat patriotisme. Hujah ini bukan sahaja tidak tepat, malah menyimpang dari sejarah sama sekali. Penubuhan MPAJA bukan untuk mempertahankan tanahair tetapi disebabkan oleh dendam dan permusuhan antara China dengan Jepun.
Fakta ini sepatutnya telah jelas, tetapi sengaja dimanipulasikan. MPAJA tidak ada kaitan dengan semangat patriotisme. MPAJA adalah komunis. Begitu juga dengan memberi nama muzium Sun Yat Sen oleh kerajaan Pulau Pinang. Apa kaitan Sun Yat Sen sejarah negara dan patriotisme? Tanyalah guru sejarah, jika itu bukan bidang kita. Saya harap PKR dan Pas tidak buta dengan pakatan ini dan mampu bersuara antara hak dengan batil.
Mengambil data kuno sebelum tahun 1971 dengan menunjukkan betapa ramainya bukan Melayu menyertai pasukan tentera menampakkan betapa sindrom ultra kiasu masih membelenggu kita. Ketika itu, kita baru sahaja mengecapi nikmat hidup tanpa dijajah dan semangat patriotisme begitu berkobar-kobar. Kini sudah lebih 40 tahun berlalu, rujuklah statistik terbaharu, barulah nampak lebih rasional dan tidak sangat untuk menegakkan benang basah. Lepas itu, buatlah kajian kenapa minat mereka begitu berkurang berbanding dahulu.
Seterusnya mereka berpendapat semangat patriotisme tidak hanya boleh dinilai dengan menyertai pasukan tentera, tetapi melalui pematuhan undang-undang, bekerja keras, berusaha mengumpul kekayaan dan membangunkan negara. Tidak ketinggalan tindakan menentang ketidakadilan dan kerajaan hari ini, juga tergolong dalam erti patriostime. Pemahaman seperti ini sekali lagi jauh tersasar.
Mereka mengukur patriotisme berasaskan benda atau materialistik, walhal makna patriotisme lebih daripada itu. Patriotisme melibatkan unsur kerohanian (agama), penyerahan jiwa raga sehingga nyawa sebagai gadaian. Ungkapan Khalid Al-Walid kepada pihak musuh di dalam satu peperangan adalah satu contoh jelas patriotisme. Katanya: “Orang-orang yang bersamaku ini mencintai mati (syahid) sebagaimana kamu mencintai hidup.”
Jelas sekali ketika itu, para mujahideen ini berjuang dengan penuh semangat, keberanian dan keimanan demi meninggikan kalimah Allah, agar agama, bangsa dan negara terbela. Patriotisme boleh sampai ke tahap jihad jika matlamatnya benar. Inilah faktor utama yang menyatukan umat Melayu Islam melalui kebangkitan nasionalisme menghalau penjajah sehingga ramai yang syahid mempertahankan Tanah Melayu.
Justeru, saya kurang setuju apabila definisi patriotisme disempitkan dengan menyamakan dengan definisi wathaniyyah atau cintakan negara sahaja. Benar, istilah patriotisme datang dari barat, tetapi tidakkah kita bertanggungjawab untuk mengislamisasikannya? Cinta kepada bangsa dan negara dibenarkan jika bertujuan untuk memelihara agama. Bacalah pendapat Ibnu Khaldun sama.
Rakyat Malaysia sepatutnya mengkaji kenapa Menteri Pertahanan berkata demikian? Apakah kaitannya semangat patriotisme dengan bidang ketenteraan (pasukan keselamatan)? Menyertai pasukan keselamatan melibatkan pengorbanan jiwa raga untuk agama dan negara. Adakah kita sanggup untuk melakukannya sekiranya kita diselubungi dengan kiasi atau takut mati? Saya harap mereka yang membangkitkannya boleh faham maksud tersebut.
Kita perlu membezakan antara makna patriotisme, nasionalisme dan taat setia, kerana ia saling berkaitan. Tidak ada patriotisme selagi tidak ada taat setia. Taat setia mesti diukur dari segi menghormati dan mematuhi kepada Perlembagaan negara terlebih dahulu. Bukannya dengan berkata saya cintakan negara ini 1,000 kali atau menggunakan nama blogging seperti “Malaysian”, “I am Malaysian”, “Malaysian Heart”, atau melaungkan saya diperanakkan di sini dan membayar cukai dan sebagainya. Jika itulah hujahnya, buruh asing pun membayar cukai dalam bentuk “levi”. Setiap rakyat mesti taat setia kepada negara. Perlu nationalistik dan patriotik, barulah akan lahir patriotisme. Pada saya, tidak sukar untuk rakyat Malaysia bersatu jika mereka mempunyai semangat patriotisme yang tinggi.
Patriot adalah orang yang mempertahankan (memperjuangkan) kebebasan atau hak tanah air atau pembela negara, sehingga sanggup menggadaikan nyawa. Kesemua ini istilah jika diadunkan tidak bertentangan dengan Islam jika agama tidak di kesampingkan.
Persoalannya, di manakah patriotisme jika tidak ada taat setia dan rasa hormat kepada Perlembagaan negara termasuk peruntukan-peruntukan sensitif seperti Perkara 3(1) kedudukan agama Islam, Perkara 152, kedudukan Bahasa Melayu sebagai bahasa kebangsaan dan Perkara 153, Kedudukan istimewa Melayu dan Bumiputera Sabah dan Sarawak serta kedudukan Raja-raja Melayu. Sebenarnya sudah terhakis taat setia, nasionalisme dan patriotisme apabila kita mempertikaikan kedaulatan perlembagaan tersebut. Mempertahankan perlembagaan bermakna mempertahankan kedaulatan negara.
Berpegang teguh kepada apa yang telah dipersetujui oleh pemimpin sebelum merdeka (kontrak sosial) dan dirakamkan di perlembagaan adalah nasionalisme. Nasionalisme atau “perasaan mencinta negara sendiri” perlu berpusat kepada perkataan “negara sendiri”. Bermakna, tidak ada lagi perasaan bangga kepada negara asal. Tidak lagi mengagung-agungkan meningkatnya kuasa ekonomi China dan India, tetapi bolehlah digunakan sebagai contoh untuk berhujah dari segi akademik. Inilah bibit-bibit ke arah patriotisme. Termasuk juga melebihkan eksport lebih dari import supaya imbangan perdagangan (balance of trade) menjadi baik bagi negara kita. Atau mengelakkan mengimport barangan atau perkhidmatan yang tidak berkualiti, sehinggalah mutu dan teknologi barangan di negara-negara tersebut diakui baik di peringkat antara bangsa.
Patriotisme memerlukan perasaan cinta yang amat mendalam terhadap tanah air dan mempertahankannya adalah satu kemestian (agama). Ini termasuk kesanggupan mengangkat senjata dan memerangi musuh apabila diisytiharkan, terutama ketika berlaku peperangan, termasuk juga yang tidak diisytiharkan atau “undeclared war”. Misalnya, Konfrantasi Malaysia-Indonesia ketika cadangan penubuhan Malaysia 1963.
Apakah ukuran patriotisme jika jumlah yang sanggup berkhidmat dalam pasukan keselamatan hanya sekelumit? Lebih menyedihkan lagi ada yang tidak mahu mengaku sebagai rakyat Malaysia apabila berada di luar negara. Mereka lebih selesa menggunakan nama bangsa sahaja, kerana dengan sebutan bangsa itu sudah boleh membawa dua makna iaitu bangsa itu sendiri dan negara asal.
Sama juga respon yang diberikan apabila Kempen Sekolah Satu Sistem mencadangkan suatu Bangsa Malaysia yang kukuh dan bersepadu berasaskan satu bahasa serta satu sekolah untuk semua. Belum apa-apa lagi pertubuhan-pertubuhan perkauman ini membantah sekeras-kerasnya dan mengeluarkan kata-kata mengarut seperti “a nation within a nation”, “multi-nation state” dan sebagainya.
Justeru, sudah sampai masanya Kementerian Penerangan, Komunikasi dan Kebudayaan serta Kementerian Pelajaran, memberi penerangan sepenuhnya kepada rakyat. Jelaskan makna taat setia, nasionalisme dan patriotisme yang sebenar. Sekurang-kurangnya, konsep-konsep asas ini perlu diserapkan dalam mata pelajaran sejarah apabila ianya mula diperkenalkan sebagai subjek di sekolah-sekolah mulai tahun 2013.
Mengikut statistik tahun 2005 pula, mereka yang ditempatkan dalam perkhidmatan awam berasaskan kaum adalah, Melayu 77.4 peratus, Cina 9.37 peratus dan India 5.14 peratus. Berbanding tahun 1971, angka kaum Cina dalam perkhidmatan awam adalah sebanyak 20.2 peratus. Dalam tempoh 35 tahun, angka ini menurun 10 peratus. Kini, kaum Cina dalam perkhidmatan polis berada pada aras di bawah 3 peratus. Salah siapa? Fikirkan secara rasional daripada menyalahkan orang lain.
Lagi pula, berdasarkan kajian oleh MCA tahun 2007, menunjukkan bahawa orang Cina memang tidak berminat untuk berkhidmat dalam sektor awam sebagai kakitangan bawahan. Kalau adapun yang berminat, mereka hanya akan memilih sektor yang banyak memberikan pulangan besar yang berpangkat tinggi. Misalnya dalam perkhidmatan polis, daripada 250 belia-belia yang dikaji, lebih 80 peratus mahukan jawatan inspektor berbanding jawatan konstabel. Kajian ini menunjukkan bahawa orang Cina tidak mahu berada pada kedudukan pangkat rendah. Mereka mahukan kedudukan yang lebih tinggi. Lagipun profesion mempunyai kaitan rapat dengan sikap kiasi atau takut mati
Berbeza dengan orang Islam, kita percaya dalam patriotisme itu terungkap konsep jihad, tanpa mengambil kira soal pangkat dan darjat. Jihad yang paling besar adalah mempertahankan agama, diikuti bangsa dan negara. Inilah faktor yang kuat menyatukan umat Islam terdahulu sehingga sanggup berkorban nyawa. Malangnya hari ini, kita asyik bergaduh dan bertelagah. Kita sanggup mengkafirkan konsep patriotisme dan nasionalisme, mengatakan ia adalah perancangan barat untuk memporak-peranda umat Islam sehingga kita tidak dapat bersatu. Sedangkan ia hanyalah satu istilah yang didefinisikan oleh barat secara sekular tanpa mengaitkannya dengan agama. Justeru, menjadi kewajipan kepada kita untuk mengIslamkannya, bukan mengkafirkannya hanya kerana ia datang daripada barat? Inilah sebenarnya punca kepada perpecahan umat Islam.
Dr. Mohd Mohd Ridhuan Tee Abdullah, Pensyarah Kanan, Kumpulan Penyelidik Politik dan Peradaban Islam, Universiti Pertahanan Nasional Malaysia, merangkap Setiausaha Agong, Dewan Perdagangan Islam Malaysia. Penulisan ini adalah pendapat peribadi penulis
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Patriotisme nampaknya masih jauh bagi kebanyakan warga Malaysia. Sangat menyedihkan.
Anwar Ibrahim keluar negara untuk memburuk2kan negara sendiri. Patrotik ke macam tu ?
Tapi orang macam tu pun masih ada melayu yang sokong dan nak angkat dia bagi jadi PM.
Pening sungguh bangsa melayu ....
Di Pulau Pinang.
Tanah perkampungan melayu di Balik Pulau di rampas. Peniaga melayu di Komtar dihalau. Peniaga dan penjaja melayu yang dah berbelas tahun duk meniaga di satu2 tempat dihalau (masa BN tak ada siapa kacau).
Tapi peniaga2 cina dan india, selamat cari makan walau pun ditempat yang tak dibenarkan dan walau pun meniaga tanpa lesen. Pi dan tengok sendiri keadaan di Bukit Mertajam.
Itulah keadaannya bila DAP dapat kuasa. Itu baru jadi KM di Pulau Pinang. Aku tak dapat bayangkan keadaan yang akan berlaku kepada orang melayu jika Lim Kit Siang naik jadi PM menggantikan Najib.
Aku tak tahu sama ada Nik Aziz sedar atau tidak nasib yang bakal diterima oleh orang melayu.
Rintihan demi rintihan melayu Pulau Pinang sejak akhir2 ini, mungkin juga tuhan nak tunjuk kepada melayu supaya berhati2 bila berpakat dengan mereka2 yang anti melayu dan anti islam.
Nik Aziz tak nampak tidak mengapa. Anwar Ibrahim tak nampak kita trak kisah. Tapi jangan lah sampai kita rakyat biasa yang akan mengundi untuk menentukan siapa yang bakal kita jadikan sebagai pemerintah yang berkuasa keatas kita .. juga tak nampak musibah yang sedang menunggu.
Nik Aziz kemaruk nak kan Putra Jaya. Anwar Ibrahim pun serupa. Najib nak pertahankan Putra Jaya. Jangan sampai .. tahu2 orang lain yang dapat.
Kiasu = tidak mahu ketinggalan, tidak mahu kalah. Kiasi = tidak mahu mati. Terima kasih Dr Ridhuan diatas perkataan yang saya baru tahu hari ini – kiasi.
Saya fikir sebab tidak mahu masuk Polis atau Tentera ada berkaitan dengan budaya kaum Cina diMalaysia. Mereka berasal dari selatan negeri Cina. Professor C.P Fitzgerald, yang dimasa mudanya telah tinggal dinegeri China selama lima tahun mempelajari bahasa Mandarin dan mengumpul bahan bahan untuk bukunya, “A Short Cultural History of China” (600+ mukasurat), mengatakan bahawa orang Cina diselatan negera itu telah ditawan oleh kuasa asing dari Manchuria secara keras dan paksa. (Tentera Manchuria telah masuk utara negeri Cina dengan senang kerana Panglima Tentera Cina yang menjaga keselamatan sempadan ditimur laut negara itu telah mengkhianati negaranya dengan membuka pintu gerbang bagi Tentera Manchuria masuk dan menawan).
Beberapa tahun selepas menubuhkan Kerajaan diPeking, Tentera Manchuria telah mula melanggar dan menawan bahagian selatan Negara itu. Ditentang dan dipertahankan, tawanan memakan masa banyak tahun. Selepas ditawan, orang Cina diselatan negara itu telah cuba menjatuhkan kerajaan asing Manchu itu. Maka mereka sentiasa berlawan, berperang, berkhianat (wars, revolts, rebellions, treachery), menubuhkan kongsi gelap untuk melawan secara rahsia, mengadakan pasukan penjahat untuk melawan secara terbuka, dan berbagai geng gangster untuk mengganas dan menakutkan rakyat supaya jangan membantu atau berkerjasama dengan pemerintah asing Manchu itu. Gejala kongsi gelap, penjahat dan gangster bermula dari situ.
Setahun demi setahun, dekad demi dekad, sehingga beratus tahun berperang dan mencuba menjatuhkan Kerajaan Manchu sehingga mereka bosan dengan angkatan tentera. Mengikut Fitzgerald, timbul diantara mereka diselatan negeri Cina perasaan bencikan tentera dan angkatan berpakaian seragam. Maka pada umumnya Cina diMalaysia pun sama budayanya.
Namun demikian, masalah kaum Cina diMalaysia bukan sahaja tidak patriotik dari segi enggan berkhidhmat diangkatan berpakaian seragam, tetapi juga mereka diPulau Pinang menunjukkan patriotisme mereka hala ketempat lain. Kerajaan DAP Pulau Pinang nyata tidak memikirkan Malaysia bila menamakan institusi resmi muzium sebagai Muzium Sun Yat Sen. Lim Kit Siang dan penganut penganutnya gah melaung disana sini mereka kononnya “Malaysian first”, tetapi mereka sebenarnya “Sun Yat Sen first”.
Nyata cakap tak serupa bikin. Peserta blog ini yang mengguna nama PENYOKONG DAP perlu akui hal ini. Tidak ada alasan yang munasabah bagi DAP menamakan muzium itu Muzium Sun Yat Sen. Negara ini bukan China atau Taiwan.
Ingatlah PAS dan PKR yang sekutu dengan DAP. Jika kalian membantu mereka dapat berkuasa dinegara ini, Malaysia pun mungkin ditukarnya nama menjadi Chinasia seperti pernah disebut oleh mereka yang tidak siuman disini.
Busuk niat mereka. Jahat tujuan mereka. Sekali lagi - cakap tak serupa bikin. Jangan mengata pihak lain sahaja. Perlu akui diri sendiri berbuat demikian.
Assalamualaikum Dr Ridhuan. Saya seorang pelajar universiti. Bolehkah saya menetak hasil tulisan Dr untuk saya sebarkan kepada rakan-rakan pelajar? Tulisan Dr penuh dengan kesedaran,malah membangkitkan kesedaran orang lain.
Assalamualaikum wrmbth,
Marilah kita bersama-sama buka lembaran baru dalam hidup kita. Kita asyik ingat apa salah orang lain pada kita sehingga pihak ketiga mengambil kesempatan.
Sedih betul dengan keadaan semasa. Tanggungjawab setiap dari kita untuk betulkan saf kita dan langkah kehadapan bersama-sama.
Ya Allah.. satukanlah hati-hati kami dengan agamamu. Leraikanlah simpulan ini
Baguslah Sdr Fairul do'akan kita bersatu. Tapi kita tak boleh berserah kpd Allah shja. Kena buat apa yang kita boleh.
Saya cadangkan kita tulis banyak banyak minta ummat Islam bersatu. Patriotisme kpd Islam, patriotisme kpd negara. Negara ni negara Islam. Ada ditulis dalam Perlembagaan.
Amacam orang PAS, UMNO dan PKR? Mari kita bersatu. Jangan tuduh menuduh. Mula berbaik hati dan senyum selalu.
Saudara Arjuna
Umno dah selalu sangat ajak Pas berbincang untuk perpaduan melayu. Tapi sedih kerana Pas tak pernah layan.
Pas tak layan kerana Pas tak pernah fikir tentang perpaduan melayu, bagi Pas perpaduan melayu tak penting, yang penting kepada mereka ialah perpaduan islam.
Kepada Pas orang melayu ni boleh bersatu jika mereka buang melayu dan ambil islam saja.
Kalau macam tu yang orang Pas fikirkan maka saya kata mereka sekadar dibuai mimpi2 indah sahaja, mereka tidak melihat realiti disekeliling mereka.
Saya tak hendak sebut tentang perpaduan islam, sebab kalau saya sebut satu persatu ianya ibarat membuka pekung umat sendiri, sebab saya pun adalah melayu islam juga.
Untuk renungan
Kita tak perlu riuh rendah nak bagi tahu satu dunia bahawa "islam adalah agama perpaduan" bahawa "islam bermaksud selamat"
Masyarakat dunia tahu apa yang sebenarnya. Kerana jika mereka termakan dengan kehebatan slogan agama kita, sudah tentu mesjid yang ada diseluruh dunia ini tak mampu untuk menampung bilangan jemaah.
Jadi kita kena melakukan sesuatu untuk membuktikan kepada dunia bahawa kita adalah sebagaimana yang dislogankan supaya orang luar tak berkata "islam adalah indah khabar dari rupa".
Kena ingat. Orang luar menilai kelebihan sesuatu agama itu berpandu kepada apa yang dipamerkan kepada mereka oleh penganut sesuatu agama itu.
So ? Where are we ?
Samb....
Saya setakat jadi penganut islam biasa, rasa malunya tak lah seberapa sangat.
Yang patut rasa malu yang teramat sangat adalah mereka2 yang bergelar ulamak islam.
Kita nak tanya. Apa sumbangan mereka dalam menyatu padukan umat islam ? Apa peranan mereka dalam menyelesaikan perbedaan pendapat di kalangan umat islam ?
Tak rasa malukah mereka para ulamak islam ? Nak sambut puasa, nak sambut raya puasa dan nak sambut raya korban ... kadang2 tak sama diantara satu negara dengan negara yang lain.
Kita nak tanya. Apakah dalam islam ada lebih daripada satu bulan yang sedang beredar mengelilingi bumi ? Apakah arab saudi ada bulan sendiri, malaysia pula ada satu bulannya sendiri, thailand juga ada bulan sendiri .. bila nak tentukan tarikh2 penting2 yang saya sebut tadi maka negera2 berkenaan akan teropong untuk melihat sama ada bulan2 mereka itu dah beranak atau belum.
Boleh jadi. Bulan2 itu beranak tidak pada tarikh yang sama. Maka sebab itu lah kita sambut puasa, raya puasa dan raya korban tidak serentak di seluruh dunia. Nampak kelakar, tapi memang macam itu lah.
Kita kerap kali bertanya kepada diri sendiri. Kenapa perayaan krismas boleh disambut serentak diseluruh dunia pada tanggal 25 december. Deepavali serentah seluruh dunia. Thaipusam serentak seluruh dunia. Wesak serentak seluruh dunia. Tahun baru cina juga serentak seluruh dunia.
Perpaduan kah itu ? Para ulamak islam tak rasa apa2 ker ? Tak rasa malu ker dengan orang luar ?
Kalau kita ni berniaga. Maknanya produk kita tu laku setakat dalam kumpulan kita saja lah. Untuk nak xpand market rasanya sukar sebab kita sendiri pun guna kerana terpaksa saja. Sebab kalau tak guna produk itu ahli kumpulan akan buang kita dari kumpulan mereka.
Tok garu...
"Tanah perkampungan melayu di Balik Pulau di rampas. Peniaga melayu di Komtar dihalau. Peniaga dan penjaja melayu yang dah berbelas tahun duk meniaga di satu2 tempat dihalau (masa BN tak ada siapa kacau)."
Betul ke zaman Gerakan/Bn kampung tak tergadai?
1.Ingatkah kau Pumuda Umno berdemostrasi di Pej. ketua menteri (masa tu Koh Soon Koon)mereka membantah kerana melayu dipaksa mengalah supaya memberi laluan untuk pembangunan yg seterus dinikmati oleh kaum cina. Masih ingatkah pak lah kata kita selesaikan secara dalaman BN
2. Cuba hang check balik berapa banyak kampung melayu dah hilang demi pembangunan semasa Gerakan perintah P.pinang.
3. masih hang ingat tak sindiran Dr. Mahathir sebelum bersara beliau melawat P.pinang?(Dr.Mahathir kata P.Pinang membangun dengan pesat tapi kampung2 melayu yg tinggal dok tang tu aje..masih ingat tak?
4. Cuba hang buat kajian sikit dah berapa ramai melayu P.pinang terpaksa berpindah ke tanah besar kerana tak mampu memiliki rumah di P.pinang.(hingga naik sepanduk pembangunan masuk tapi kami terpaksa keluar..
5. Tokgaru aku mintak kamu janganlah lupa kpd melayu dahulu yg terpaksa berkorban tapi x di bela sebab Gerakan/Bn adalah geng Umno.kesian mereka .
6. Aku tak kata DAP bagus tapi apa kurangnya Gerakan baik sangat ke mereka dalam membela melayu?
7.Yang untung sikit melayu yg kena pindah sekarang kerana media menyiarkaan masalah mereka(mungkin diarah oleh Bn/Umno supaya nampak DAP zalim)
bersambung..
teoh chow kow,
lu bangsa celup. so dont talk about taat setia, lu tiada.
lu lebih rendah dari paria.
lu sanggup mencaci bangsa asal lu sendiri untuk mandapat peluang dan cheap publicity.
lu lagi teruk dari paria.
lu buat malu nenek moyang lu.
tapi macam mana lu mencaci bangsa asal lu pun lu tak akan jadi melayu. jangan mimpi.
lu pergi baca komen orang terhadap lu di Malaysian insider dan lu akan tau berapa benci orang terhdap lu. simpan komen komen dan tunjukkan kepada anak cucu lu berapa bangganya bapak / datuk mereka.
lu adalah ejen terbaik Pakatan Rakyat. lu dan kuncu kuncu lu seperti zebra@pembangkang DAP telah memastikan tiada bloggers akan mengundi BN dengan tuduhan tuduhan absurd lu terhadap bangsa cina.
syabas!
bagi pengikut pengikut dan penjilat kasut lu, syabas juga. syabas kerana wujudnya orang orang yang dilahirkan tanpa otak tapi masih mempunyai ego tinggi.
continue with your article 153 till the cow comes home and we shall whether you can progress anywhere with it.
Satu lagi penulisan menarik dari Dr RT. Teruskan usaha anda, semoga orang Islam dan Melayu sedar apa yang sebenarnya sedang berlaku di Malaysia ketika ini.
Lihatlah betapa tidak sensitif dan kurang ajarnya puak puak ultrakiasu ini. Mereka hanya berpaksikan kepada materialistik di samping "nation of China"
Semua isu yang sensitif oleh kaum melayu akan cuba dibangkitkan dan diuar-uarkan oleh meraka.
- Chin Peng mahu dibawa balik
- MPAJA mahu diiktiraf sebagai pejuang kebangsaan
- Musium hendak dinamakan bersempena dengan Tokoh komunis dari Negara China.
Semua perkara diatas ada satu persamaan - iaitu semuanya adalah berpaksikan kepada negara China...dengan erti lain cuba mendaulatkan negara China di negara berdaulat Malaysia.
Inikah yang dikatakan patriotik? Inilah dia konsep Malaysian Malaysia atau nation within a nation iaitu Negara China didalam Negara Malaysia.
Berkenaan dengan MPAJA. Bagaimana pula boleh dikatakan kumpulan ini memperjuangkan Tanah Melayu? sedangkan asas perjuangan mereka sebenarnya adalah kerana dendam diantara orang jepun dengan Cina yang berlaku semasa peperangan di Negara Cina! bukan di Tanah Melayu! Juga disebabkan layanan buruk Jepun terhadap kaum Cina di Tanah Melayu. Adakah aspirasi mereka untuk menubuhkan tanah melayu sekiranya mereka dapat membebaskan tanah melayu dari jepun? Jawapannya tidak, tujuan mereka dalah untuk menubuh kan satu lagi Negara Comunist China di Tanah Melayu!
Dengan erti kata lain untuk menubuhkan satu lagi Negara China di Nusantara berpandukan Tanah besar China. Inilah erti sebenar patriotik puak puak ultra kiasu ini.
Saya hanya ada satu mesej sahaja untuk puak puak ultrakiasu ini: Baliklah ke negara asal kamu wahai kaum pendatang. Di sana tiada siapa yang akan menghalang kamu semua dari menaikkan papan papan tanda bahasa mandarin, menamakan musium atau jalan dengan tokoh tokoh kebangsaan Negara China atau menubuhkan lebih banyak SRJKC.
Tinggalkanlah negara bertuah Malaysia ini.
izam
Aku nak mencelah sikit sebelom tokgaru jawab hang...
Kalau hang tak kata DAP bagus, apa hai hang nak bantai Gerakan, buka cerita lama. Kita pikiaq hak la ni lah. Buat apa nak bantai membantai tapi biaq pi DAP buat sesuka depa?
Hang penyokong DAP jugak ka? Media menyiarkan masalah Melayu P. Pinang pun hang kata mungkin diarah oleh Bn/Umno supaya nampak DAP zalim.
Tak payah media siarkan pun Melayu yang pi P. Pinang tau DAP zalim. Hang sendiri kata "nampak DAP zalim".
Song
Haiya apa pasal lu komen ini macam?
Bagila hujah hujah bersama fakta untuk menolak hujah Dr RT. kemudian boleh kita bincangkan dengan lebih mendalam lagi. barulah namanya perdebatan yang sihat.
Ini macam, lu kutuk sana lu kutuk sini, apa dapat?
Anyway if you read Dr RT previous post, it is clear that he is proud being chinese and nor does he wanted to become a Malay. In any case, I am certainly proud of his attitude. I would think of him as my dearest friend and saudara and I would have defend him with my own life if I have to even though I am Malay. Semangat keIslaman itu is more than semangat kebangsaan.
Dr RT...saya balik tarik saranan saya dahulu...saya sarankan kita delete saja komen komen SONG yang merapu yang tak membawa makna. Membuang masa untuk kita semua membaca.
Kepada Izam;
Saya setuju dengan pendapat saudara secara umum. Saya rasa ketika BN memerintah dulupun lebih kurang sahaja nasib penduduk melayu di Pulau Pinang cuma bezanya sekarang lebih mendapat liputan oleh akhbar mainstream berbanding dengan dahulu.
Anyhow, apa yang dibuat oleh pakatan rakyat (DAP) sekarang pun lebih kurang sahaja dengan BN (Gerakan). orang melayu kata 2 x 5
Emmm pening la nak undi siapa macam ni?
Pembakang Dap..
Hang ni agen Gerakan ke bila aku ceritakan Gerakan pun teruk ..hang yg lebih2 meleting ..
Aku menceritakan ape yg telah berlaku dan yg sedang berlaku di P.pinang. Aku rasa hang cuba nak tutup pekung yg telah dilakukan gerakan...jangan gitu brother melayu yg kena tindas semasa gerakan pun ada mesti dibela juga...(jangan2 kau ni buta sejarah tak mau ungkit semasa gerakan aniaya melayu dulu)
ikhwan,
DAP nak "bawa masuk" ketua pengganas
kominis Chin Peng tu. Depa tak boleh "bawa balik". Sebab Chin Peng bukan rakyat Malaysia.
Saya ada baca Ahli Sejarah terkenal Professor Tan Sri Khoo Kay Kim telah siasat. Periksa rekod pejabat berkenaan. Dia kata Chin Peng diberi peluang mohon jadi rakyat. Selepas perjanjian Haadyai ke ape ke. Dia mohon, hantar borang. Tapi tak datang interbiu cekap Bahasa Malaysia ke apa ke. Jadi permohonan tak lulus. Dia bukan rakyat. Itu pasal "mintak kebenaran masuk" Malaysia. Tak diberi.
Maalomlah cara kominis. Dia hantar borang saja dia anggap dah cukup. Jenis depa ni pikiaq semua pegawai terutang budi dengan depa. Kena melutut pi bawak setifiket rakyat kpd dia. Kepala hotak depa.
Ada pulak yang tak siuman kata dia ta'at setia kpd negara, pahlawan negara, nasionalis la, patriotik la. Gila punya cerita.
Saudara Izam
Memang dari satu aspek, MCA dengan Gerakan tu sama dengan DAP kerana kedua2nya adalah parti orang cina dominan dan orang cina jadi ketua.
Sama juga lah dengan Umno dan Pas. Kedua2nya parti orang melayu dan ketuanya pun orang melayu juga. Tapi dengan pemimpin Pas yang malu nak mengaku diri sebagai melayu .. ahhhhh itu dia punya pasal lah.
Tapi DAP di banding dengan MCA dan Gerakan tetap ada bezanya. Matlamat perjuangan adalah sama tapi cara saja yang berlain sikit. Macam belacan la, belacan pulau pinang dan belacan kuala perlis, kedua2nya belacan dan boleh dibuat sambal belacan tapi rasa tak sama walau pun rupa mungkin serupa.
Kata bijak pandai islam (boleh jadi ulamak juga kut ?)
Islam membenarkan penganutnya berbeza pendapat. Kerana berbeza pendapat tu ada hikmahnya.
Selepas 13 kali fikiaq, rasanya betui juga, at least otak orang islam digunakan juga untuk pikiaq memikiaq.
Mungkin Umno dengan Pas ni depa ikut nasihat bijak pandai islam tadi kut ? Mungkin depa akan bersatu selepas turun nya nabi isa untuk menghancurkan dajjal di muka bumi ini. Wallahualam.....
Nak tambah sikit lagi kpd komen ikhwan.
Kalau depa balik Tongsan pun, depa bangkang jugak Kerajaan disana. Depa asal diselatan China. Disana depa mau cakap suku bangsa depa. Hokkien la, Konfu la, Cantonese la, Hakka la. Depa tak mau kena cakap Mandarin pulak.
Tak sampai 6 bulan lalu ada berita depa diCanton dan diHong Kong demonstrasi Kerajaan pusat pasai kena gunakan bahasa Mandarin tiap hari. Chiisssh depa ni. Asyik bangkang, asyik demonstrasi saja. Disana sini. Jenis mahu kacau bilau. Tak mau ikut peraturan.
" Kita kerap kali bertanya kepada diri sendiri. Kenapa perayaan krismas boleh disambut serentak diseluruh dunia pada tanggal 25 december. Deepavali serentah seluruh dunia. Thaipusam serentak seluruh dunia. Wesak serentak seluruh dunia. Tahun baru cina juga serentak seluruh dunia " (tokgaru)
" Perpaduan kah itu ? Para ulamak islam tak rasa apa2 ker ? Tak rasa malu ker dengan orang luar ? " (tokgaru)
Nak minta Ustaz Ridhuan Tee, kalau sudi bagi lah pendapat sikit tentang benda ni. Pada saya benda ni hak muslim sejagat, kalau hal penting macam ni pun kita tak senada, so apalah sangat nak diharapkan kepada Umno dan Pas untuk sekata.
Assalamualaikum..
Yang saya hormati Dr RT,
Saya tidak sependapat dengan Sdr Ikhwan supaya mesej yang disampaikan oleh Sdr Song dihapuskan. Biar dimasukkan sekurang kurangnya kita sudah ada pembaca bukan Melayu yang mengikuti kolum Dr RT. Marilah kita doakan semoga ada pihak yang akan mendapat hidayah sebab bukan manusia yang memberikan hidayah dan boleh merubah hati dan fikiran manusia. Hanya Allah yang berkuasa.
Isu patriotisme ini bukan baru sudah lama dan kita tahu yang mana hitam dan yang mana putih.
Apa yang paling penting adalah Umat Islam di Malaysia harus sedar penguasaan ekonomi dan jawatan-jawatan penting banyak dikuasai oleh bukan Melayu. Kerjaya spt Doktor, Peguam , Jurutera masih lagi dikuasai oleh bangsa bukan Melayu.
Tentera memang sebaiknya biar Bangsa Melayu yang dominasi kerana ini sahajalah peluang orang Melayu menjaga tanahair mereka, bukankah ini nama Tanah Melayu sewaktu dulu sebelum ditukarkan kepada Malaysia.
Jangan jadi macam singapura, berapa kerat anak Melayu yang memegang jawatan dalam tentera bahkan ada tempat tempat tertentu yang Orang Melayu Singapura tidak boleh masuk, Kenapa? Bukankah Singapura yang asalnya nama Temasik juga merupakan tempat asal usul Umat Melayu tapi apa dah jadi sekarang.
Saya harap pandangan kontra dari pihak lain janganlah kita nafikan kerana kita negara demokrasi. Hak Sdr Song nak berikan pandangan kita boleh terima tetapi bukan bermakna apa yang beliau tulis itu kita terima bulat-bulat. Kita tahu yang mana pendapat itu intan atau kaca.
wassalam
Pembangkang DAP;
Hahaha eloklah mereka mereka ini balik ke Tanah besar China semula supaya dapat mereka membuat kacau bilau disana pula. kemudian mereka akan ditangkap oleh Kerajaan Gerila Komunis di sana dan kemudian diseksa didalam penjara.
Setelah itu barulah mereka akan sedar betapa bertuah dan beruntungnya dapat hidup di tanah air kita Malaysia.
tentang bahasa Mandarin; Ini juga adalah salah satu daripada tujuh (sekarang dah sepuluh kot) keajaiban dunia. kebanyakan kaum kaum cina di malaysia ini, bahasa ibunda mereka bukanlah bahasa mandarin, bahasa asal mereka mungkin hokkien dsb nya. Sila betulkan saya jika saya tersalah fakta disini. Bahasa mandarin hanyalah bahasa rasmi Negara China. Yang peliknya kenapa mereka ini bermati matian hendak mempertahankan sekolah yang menggunakan bahasa penghantar rasmi Negara china yang bukan pun bahasa ibunda mereka????
Ini memang kes pelik bin ajaib!
Disini pun kita dah dapat merumuskan erti patriotik bagi mereka iaitu patriotik yang mendaulatkan Negara China!
Ok Song
Kita berdamai...I have nothing against you as well.
Cuma saya nak ajak kita berbincang dengan ilmiah, dengan fakta dsb nya. Tak perlu kita nak mengutuk mana mana agama dan bangsa.
kwan,
i have nothing against you. what i cannot tolerate is people like zebra and ridhuan tck. what you said is true, not may be. if mainstream media controlled by BN can be trusted, sh*t also can be eaten.
in this 21st century, zebra is still talking about gangsterism of the 19th century.
where is the relevance?
on the teoh beng hock issue,i pray that the children of zebra suffer the same fate.
such a cold blooded animal zebra is.
bersambung..
Bagi aku jika BN menang PR13 nanti di P.Pinang dan Umno adalah majoriti dalam BN, Umno mesti tuntut hak ketua menteri dari gerakan. Masalahnya maukah gerakan mengalah sebab peragai Ultrakiasu gerakan sama juga dgn DAP.
Aku rasa semua masih tak lupa bila Zahid Hamidi tuntut ketua perhubungan BN di P.pinang diberi kpd Umno sebab sekarang UMNO Majoriti kerusi P.pinang ditolak mentah2 oleh Gerakan. Tak da seorang pun pemimpin besar Umno yg back-up Zahid.
2. aku dapat rasakan hal ini akan berulang bila Umno dapat rampas kembali P.pinang dari DAP, Gerakan yg jadi Ketua menteri..Pi Mai.Pi Mai, melayu P.pinang terus dikorbankan..
Apo nok dikato Umno yg tulang belakang BN tak berani berkeras dengan parti komponen cina...kesian
Walaupun begitu yng dikatakan menjadi keldai tunggangan cina tetap PAS bukannya Umno..pas lagi yg kena
sorry for typing error for your name, ikhwan, thousand apologies!
Kepada muslimahmaid,
Bukanlah maskud saya untuk menyarankan untuk mendelete kan SEGALA komen SONG atau rakan rakan yang sewaktu dengannya.
Yang saya maksudkan adalah komen komen merapu yang tidak ada fakta, kutukan yang tiada asas dan yang seerti dengannya.
Saya lebih memilih utuk bersikap terbuka utuk menilai segala pendapat. Kemudian kita boleh berbincang dengan menambah pelbagai fakta yang pro dan kontra.
Sebagai contoh komen ini:
"lu lebih rendah dari paria."
Apakah perbincangan yang boleh kita bawa dari komen seperti ini?
muslimahmaid,
thanks for your open mindedness. honestly, i think i have absolutely no problem and instead enjoy talking and discussing with reasonable and moderate thinking people like you. appreciate.
ikhwan,
Depa tak berani balik Tongsan pun, kawan. Diam diSingapura pun tak berani. Pada hal Lee Kuan Yew tu separuh Tuhan (Demigod) Lim Kit Siang, LKY kentut pun bau wangi kpd LKS. Tapi kata orang ada "Big Brother on the wall" sentiasa tengok apa orang rammai buat, dengaq apa orang ramai cakap. Silap hari bulan kena masuk jel. Satu pengarang Bretes baru saja dijel LKY.
Mana depa boleh bebas cakap mcm disini. Sedition la, anti-nasional lah depa. LKS kena heret ISA sekali ke dua.
Kalu diChina, mampuih depa. Undang undang depa sikit sikit hukum mati. Rasuah pun hukum mati, kawan. Itu pun rasuah berleluasa disana. Depa tak habih habih cakap rasuah banyak disini. Tapi Ronnie Liu pun rasuah kata orang. PENYOKONG DAP diblog ini belom jawab betui ke orang kata Ronnie Liu tukang pungut wang untuk DAP.
Mandarin jadi bahasa resmi negeri China hanya bila kominis pegang kuasa. Mao Zedong arahkannya. Kerana nak satu padukan negara berkecai sebab revolusi. Itu lah pelik depa ni. Disana tak mau Mandarin, diMalaysia nakkan Mandarin. Saya nak keluaqkan bahasa kasar pasai perkara ni tapi hormatkan pemunya blog.
Pasai komen muslimahmaid tu saya nak kata sikit. Semua orang boleh komen. Tapi gunakan sopan santun lah sikit. Orang boleh balas mcm tu jugak. Mcm depa nakkan ekuiti Melayu dihapuskan, orang balas mintak hak kerakyatan depa pun dihapuskan. Kan tak baik lagu tu.
Saya keluaq sebagai PEMBANGKANG DAP sebab selalu lihat orang komen sebagai PENYOKONG DAP disini. Tapi setakat ni saya rasa kami masih bersopan santun. Harap berterusan.
Saya sokong ikhwan kata yang tak keluaqkan fakta, data, hujah-hujah, atau sekurang kurangnya alasan-alasan yang munasabah, sebaliknya kurang ajar, akan buang masa kita baca depa. Dan mengeruhkan suasana berbincang. Takda faedahnya pun. Sebab bukan berbincang, hanya menyakitkan hati orang, termasuk pemunya blog.
" Depa tak habih habih cakap rasuah banyak disini. Tapi Ronnie Liu pun rasuah kata orang. PENYOKONG DAP diblog ini belom jawab betui ke orang kata Ronnie Liu tukang pungut wang untuk DAP. "
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Namawee tidak lakukan kesalahan-Nazri(stupid malay)
bla bla bla bla bla..katanya kpd pemberita slps merasmikan upacara pecah tanah pembinaan bangunan baru SEKOLAH JENIS KEBANGSAAN CINA KERIAN, di sini hari ini.
Haiz..Aq harap ada pecah tanah utk pembinaan sekolah agama or sk pondok. :)
EH silap pembetulan: "SEKOLAH MENENGAH JENIS KEBANGSAAN CINA KERIAN"
Sekolah menengah tu..giler la.Baik sungguh BN. Dia ingat orang Cina boleh mengenang jasa BN le tu.Jgn harap.
Org Cina tau BN bodo.Sbb tu die x mau undi BN masa pilihanraya lps.Org Cina tau BN pandai sbb tu die undi BN di Galas,kesian PAS.
Kpd DAP jaga hati org Cina baik2 tau,takut mereka lari undi MACMA.lol!
Orang Muor
Saya pun ada membaca ulasan dari Nazri tersebut.
Ulasan saya: (Sambil mengelengkan kepala)Sukar untuk dipercayai. Inilah salah satu contoh politician seperti yang saya cakap. Depan hadirin melayu dia akan cakap lain tetapi bila depan upacara pecah tanah srjkc dia akan cakap lain pula.
Adakah perlu untuk kita bentangkan transkip lagu Namewee tersebut untuk ditunjukkan kepada si stupid Nazri where the wrong/kesalahan is?
I think maybe we should. Kalau dilihat pada senikata lagu tersebut keberangkalian nya hanya 10% yang betul betul ditujukan kepada pengetua tersebut sedangkan lagi 90% sambil memukul/menhina Melayu dan Islam sama rata.
Saya tidak ada masalah sekiranya lagu itu bersama senikatanya betul betul ditujukan kepada pengetua tersebut tetapi hakikatnya saudara saudara boleh melihat dan mendengar sendiri intisari lagu tersebut. Penuh dengan seditious comment yang memukul rata orang melayu Islam secara kesuluruhan.
Nanti saya transkipkan lagu tersebut supaya boleh diforwardkan kepada si stupid Nazri dan supaya boleh diambil tindakan susulan. Nanti kita lihat pula apa alasan yang akan diberikan.
You see here, How can we vote BN with such a stupid MP?
tokgaru,
maaf ya cakap.
Oleh kerana anda sebut orang Melayu balik Pulau, pulau Pinang di halau teringat saya apa yang pernah berlaku kepada orang melayu Pulau Pinang semasa kerajaan GERAKAN memerintah.
Orang Melayu dipinggir? bukan setakat dipinggirkan malah dinafikan haknya baik untuk memiliki rumah dan sebagainya.
Boleh tanya orang melayu Pulau Pinang akan prihal ini.
Saya pernah tinggal di negeri itu pada tahun 1978.
Hal ini bukan saja berlaku di Pulau Pinang malah diserata pelusuk negara malaysia ini.
Tak perlu saya sentuh apa yang berlaku d negeri Johor dan Selangor khususnya Kuala Lumpur Wailayah persekutuan yang mana orang melayu dipinggirkan sekaligus dinafikan haknya.
Paling malang sekali ada kalangan orang agama yang setuju dengan gerakan meminggirkan oerang melayu ini dengan hujah jika tak mampu kerana taraf hidup tinggi lebih baik berjihrah, sedangkan Rasulullah SAW pernah menyatakan tiada lagi hijrah selepas hijrahku ini.
Hendak beri tahu bahawa isu yang anda bawah ini bukan atas nama DAP yang memerintah Pulau Pinang, tetapi atas nama UMNO/BN juga demikian.
Lihat di Terengganu, negeri orang melayu pun melayu dipinggirkan.
Di Kuala Terengganu sudah habis kampong milik Melayu di robek robekkan atas nama pembangunan bandar sejak sekian lama.
Kampong Tanjung Kapur seratus peratus penduduknya adalah Melayu.
Demikian juga kampung Ladang. Sudah habis dibangunkan dan orang melayu dihalau ke hutan dan hulu.
Mengatakan orang balik pulau Pulau Pinang di halau jawapnya "YA" Tapi orang melayu di Kuala Terengganu apa kurangnya.
Pendek kata apa yang berlaku sejak UMNO/BN diberi mandat memerintah selama 50 tahun lebib ini orang Melayu bukan saja dihalau malah telah dikhianati oleh umno yang membela nasib bangsa Melayu, agama dan negara.
Kita tidak tahu apakah yang dibela selama ini. Mungkin membela perut para pemimpinnya boleh diterima dan masuk akal.
Berkata membela bangsa melayu pasti tak masuk akal,kerana nasib orang melayu semakin hari semakin buruk serba serbi.
rupa-rupanya ramai yang telah diperdayakan oleh media-media yang tidak bertanggungjawab tentang laporan-laporan palsu.
menurut tok garu, tanah perkanpungan melayu di balik pulau dirampas kerajaan pulau pianang. Di mana buktinya? kalau betul dirampas sepatutnya karajaan negeri telah didakwa. Tanah tersebut diambil melalui prosedur undang-undang untuk tujuan pembangunan, seperti bandar-bandar lain yang melalui proses pembandaran termasuk tempat yang dibangunkan oleh UMNO.
Apa yang melampau adalah sesetengah laporan yang dibuat mengatakan tanah itu milik melayu! sebenarnya tanah tersebut TERDAPAT LEBIH RAMAI CINA BERBANDING MELAYU! niat dan muslihat surat khabar tersebut semakin terserlah -- untuk memecah belahkan rakyat! SIAPA YANG KURANG PATRIOTIK?
mengenai penjaja melayu di pulau pinang diambil tindakan oleh pihak berkuasa, adakah sekalian tahu, lebih ramai penjaja Cina yang diambil tindakan berbanding melayu oleh mppp? Saya guarantee semua tidak tahu kerana hanya duduk di rumah baca surat khabar yang laporannya semua bull-shit, melaporkan seolah-olah hanya melayu yang terkena. NIAT DAN MUSLIHAT UNTUK MEMECAH-BELAHKAN KAUM SEMAKIN TERSERLAH！
tahukah sekalian, di pulau pinang terdapat paling ramai pasukan bomba dan penyelamat sukarela? Pasukan bomba sukarela ini tidak biasa dilihat di negeri lain. jumlah ahli-ahli pasukan sukarela ini melebihi 1000 orang dan majoritinya bangsa cina, dan mereka beroperasi dengan melalui derma daripada rakyat dan tidak menerima upah. Walaupun tidak mempunyai peralatan yang lengkap, namun mereka sentiasa pasukan pertama yang tiba di tempat kejadian berbanding bomba kerajaan. Jangan kata cina tidak menyertai pasukan pertahanan dan penyelamat. 5 tahun yang lalu, Saya sendiri telah membuat permohonan untuk menyertai pasukan tentera udara diraja malaysia sebanyak 3 kali dan membuat beberapa kali penggilan untuk mengetahui perkembangan, namun tiada respon tentang permohonan saya. SAYA TIDAK TAHU SEBABNYA. sekarang saya sudah graduate dan membuat keputusan untuk menceburi bidang perniagaan. Kalau saya berjaya suatu hari nanti, jangan pula kata saya tidak patriotik/merampas kekayaan melayu/hanya mementingkan keuntungan ... bla bla bla..
NIAT DAN MUSLIHAT TERSEMBUNYI MEDIA YANG DIKAWAL OLEH ULTRA RACIST SEMAKIN TERSERLAH. memperkaumkan isu-isu yang asalnya tidak berunsur perkauman, memecah-belahkan rakyat demi mencapai matlamat politik. Pergilah tengok cermin dan fahami erti sebenar patriotisme.
upacara pecah tanah srjkc dia akan cakap lain pula(ikhwan)
Not SRJKC bro but SMJKC.Notice the word M.I dont know, maybe Mingguan did a typing error.
Haiiih, mcm mana ni "malaysia"?
Awak kata awak sudah graduate tapi cakap "Pergilah tengok cermin dan fahami erti sebenar patriotisme". Universiti mana awak graduate?
Mana masuk akal? Tengok cermin nak faham erti patriotisme? Bak kata ikhwan, pelik dan ajaib ini juga.
Ni lah satu contoh depa ingat depa patriotik. Guna nama "malaysia" dan ingat dia patriotik. Saya hormat pemunya blog jadi saya tak keluar bahasa kusut.
Malaysia nama negara ni lah, mamat. Bukan mcm Mercedes, Rolls Royce, orang boleh pakai. Itu pun kalau hang pakai takda kebenaran hang boleh diheret Mahkamah bayar ratus juta hak milik terpelihara. Guna nama Merdeka ke apa ke lain lah. Ni guna nama negara Malaysia pulak.
Pandai awak ya. Sekarang saya nak buat nama blogging "PEMBANGKANG malaysia" pun tak boleh. Tengok tu kiasunya awak.
Kalau mcm tu mcm mana Tentera Udara nak ambik awak. Nanti awak pakai nama Tentera Udara DiRaja pulak, jual disana sini. Depa ada sistem menilai cara awak mikir, pendirian awak dll lagi. Cara awak reaksi dalam satu satu keadaan ke apa ke. Tapi kalau awak nak pakai nama negara kami dengan sewenang wenang saja, mana mikir betul? Mcm negara ini awak punya sorang.
Apa hal pun, mcm mana pendirian awak pada Perlembagaan? Kalau interbiu awak jawab benda benda yang depa ragukan awak hormat Perlembagaan semuanya atau tidak, tentu depa takut nanti satu jet beratus juta Ringgit diterbangkan keSingapura ke apa ke.
Tengok yang bagus depa ambik. Tak baca Mejar ke apa ke perempuan Cina yang kawin dengan India yang lebih tinggi pangkat diTentera Udara Malaysia?
Koreksi untuk post saya yang terdahulu.
Setelah meniliti seni kata lagu Namewee yang ditujukan kepada pengetua tersebut, tidak dapat tidak saya mesti bersetuju dengan Nazri (although my opinion about Nazri hasn't change)
Most of the comment was directed towards the pengetua. Unless using foul language is consider as kesalahan then I couldn't find any fault with his crappy rap song.
This does not mean that I agree with his previous lagu negarakuku and the TNB songs which is downright an insult.
However the problem actually goes deeper than this. In the defense of the pengetua, we must ask ourself what has trigger the pengetua to give such remark in the first place?
Kepada Malaysia;
Saya setuju dengan sebahagian dari komen anda.
Tentang kesahihan anda memohon tiga kali tetapi ditolak oleh TUDM itu tidak dapat dipastikan...Sekiranya benar apa yang anda katakan, saya agak hairan bagaimana pihak TUDM boleh menolak sedangkan peratusan kaum anda didalam tentera adalah sedikit.
Mungkin anda boleh meminta untuk menjadi tentera darat pula. Rasanya lebih banyak peluang kerana peratusan kaum cina adalah lebih sedikit didalm bidang ini berbanding tentera udara.
Saya ingin menyentuh sedikit tentang komen anda:
"Kalau saya berjaya suatu hari nanti, jangan pula kata saya tidak patriotik/merampas kekayaan melayu/hanya mementingkan keuntungan ... bla bla bla.."
Jawapan saya:
Bila masa pula kami mengkategorikan yang tidak patriotik itu adalah mereka yang berjaya? Sebaliknya orang yang tidak patriotik itulah yang tidak berjaya meskipun berjaya (jika diukur dari sudut kekayaan dan pangkat dsb)
Bagi saya soal kekayaan bukanlah soal utama. Wang, ringgit pangkat bukanlah ukuran kejayaan.
Saya tidak tahu siapa yang meracuni pemikiran saudara sampai seolah olah anda melihat kami sebagai berpendapat anda atau kaum anda yang kaya, maka sudah tentunya tidak patriotik dan merampas hasil kekayaan melayu??? Saya rasa inilah hasil pemikiran pemikiran ultrachauvinist yand sudah meresap dalam minda saudara.
Yang kami persoalkan (in bigger picture not individual basis) adalah orang orang yang langsung tidak mahu memohon untuk menjawat jawatan jawatan pertahanan Malaysia. Orang orang seperti saudara yang memohon tetapi sudah ditolak sudah semestinya kesalahan tersebut bukan terletak dibahu saudara. Perhaps the defence ministry can clear this issue by showing us the statistic of the application and those that being rejected and accepted. Perhaps we could have a fairer debate.
tahukah sekalian, di pulau pinang terdapat paling ramai pasukan bomba dan penyelamat sukarela? Pasukan bomba sukarela ini tidak biasa dilihat di negeri lain.(ultra beh song)
Can we know the name of your fake NGO?
jumlah ahli-ahli pasukan sukarela ini melebihi 1000 orang dan majoritinya bangsa cina(ultra beh song)
Pasukan Keselamatan kerajaan kan melambak.Kenapa tidak mahu join? U fool idiot racist.Mmg nmpk sngt racist kalo psukan
sukarelawan "swasta" ni btol2 ada.U think can fool us?
mereka beroperasi dengan melalui derma daripada rakyat dan tidak menerima upah.(ultra beh song)
hahaha..geli hati
namun mereka sentiasa pasukan pertama yang tiba di tempat kejadian berbanding bomba kerajaan(ultra beh song)
How do u know stupid? U the president of the fake NGO or the fool DAP members?
Saya yaakin Kementerian Pertahanan ada sebab menolak sesetengah permohonan bukan Melayu. Mereka tidak boleh ambil mana yang mohon saja. Tidak boleh, walau pun yang mohon tak banyak.
Kita perlu ingat: Melayu pun banyak yang kena tolak.
Cuba fikirkan kes bukan Melayu. Ini kerja pegang senjata. Tentera Darat pegang rifle saja pun, kalau ta'at setia pemohon diragukan, siapa nak pergi lawan musuh dengan depa? Siapa nak duduk dibelakang depa dimedan perang? Ditembak depa dari belakang nanti. Ada berlaku dizaman lawan kominis Malaya dulu.
Lagi pulak tentera udara. Pegawai pulak. Atau pilot ke. Dia pegang pesawat beratus juta harga. Beratus kilo bom. Tak boleh ada ragu sikit pun ta'at setia depa.
Perang Dunia Kedua Amerika tahan rakyatnya keturunan Jepun. Disumbat keInternment Camp disana sini seluruh negara. Amerika pun jaga keselamatan negara depa. Ada orang kata omputih rasis ke? DiMalaysia, kalau perang dengan Singapura, boleh percaya semua Cina pertahankan Malaysia? Saya ragu. Mungkin Kem Pertahanan pun ragu.
Cara mereka memang tak beri sebab rejek. Tapi tak taulah kalau mereka tukar cara.
"malaysia" mem-"bull shit"kan berita berita akhbar. Tapi dia yang menyanggah, dialah yang patut keluarkan bukti. Tunjukkan dimana berita akhbar itu salah. Berikan butir butir fakta.
Mcm biasalah. Jenis ini main tohmah sini tohmah sana. Depa saja yang betul. Orang lain semua salah. Kalau diChina depa baru tau. Ada bukti tak setia kpd negara sikit saja, hukum mati.
Kita mesti bangkang cakap depa yang tak betul. Kalau tidak orang ingat depa betul. Tapi selalu mengarut.
Orang Muor:
You have made a good point..
Rasa nya elok kiranya saudara Malaysia turut mensertakan fakta - fakta statistik yang menyokong dakwaan saudara mengenai:
1. Sukarelawan sukarelawan di P.Pinang yang nampaknya murni hati bekerja tanpa sebarang elaun dan sebagainya di tambah pula rakyatnya yang sungguh dermawan yang menderma untuk menguruskan sukarelawan sukarelawan ini.
2. Kecekapan kecekapan sukarelawan tersebut sehingga suadara Malaysia mendakwa mereka terlebih cepat sampai ke kawasan insiden berbanding dengan BOMBA Malaysia sendiri (Ketawa kecil didalam hati).
Kalau boleh sikap Cina P.Pinang yang "murni" didalam hal ini boleh dikembangkan lagi ke seluruh Malaysia dengan memperbanyakkan penyertaan didalam pasukan RELA dan pasukan pasukan sukarelawan yang lain bukan sahaja di P.Pinang bahkan di negeri negeri lain.
Berbalik dengan hal patriotik; saya ingin menambah, bukan sahaja dengan penyertaan di dalam intitusi pertahanan negara bahkan juga dengan mendaulatkan bahasa kebangsaan (bahasa melayu/malaysia). Ini bukan sahaja dengan megaku "I am Malaysia" bahkan dengan mengamalkannya, mengaplikasikannya di papan papan tanda, pengambilan pekerja (no more mandarin speaker preferred) dan sebagainya.
Ini juga dengan secara automatiknya akan menjuruskan kepada sokongon kepada sekolah satu sistem.
"Patriot adalah orang yang mempertahankan (memperjuangkan) kebebasan atau hak tanah air atau pembela negara, sehingga sanggup menggadaikan nyawa. Kesemua ini istilah jika diadunkan tidak bertentangan dengan Islam jika agama tidak di kesampingkan."
Saya amat bersetuju dengan hujah DR. Patriot kalau dalam pengertian Bahasa Melayu ini berkait rapat dengan perajurit ataupun pejuang. Perbandingan ataupun gambaran paling mudah untuk mengetahui siapakah patriot itu adalah melalui statistik pasukan keselamatan negara. Namun demikian, tidak pula menafikan bahawa sesiapa sahaja yang bukan menganggotai pasukan keselamatan negara tidak oleh digelar patriot.Namun demikian amat sukar untuk membuat penilaian siapakah dikalangan orang awam ini yang memiliki semangat patriot dan boleh digelar patriot. Oleh yang demikian saya fikir, disamping pasukan anggota keselamatan, pihak kerajaan hendaklah mengadakan pasukan sukarela dikalangan orang awam supaya sesiapa sahaja yang bukan anggota pasukan keselamatan boleh menyertai pasukan sukarela tersebut. Sebagaimana pasukan keselamatan yang tidak membezakan bangsa, pasukan sukarela ini juga hendaklah berebntuk sedemikian. Saya tahu sudah ada pasukan sukarela seperti aksar wataniah, pertahanan awam dan sebagainya, tetapi bagaimanakah statistik penyertaan bangsa-bangsa. Saya percaya orang seperti Malaysia yang tidak berjaya menyertai pasukan tentea udara boleh menyertai pasukan askar wataniah tentera udara. Oleh itu saya cadangkan supaya kerajaan memperhebatkan lagi kempen melali parti-parti politik dan NGO agar menyeru para ahli mereka menyertai pasukan sukarela untuk memupuk semangat patriotik dalam diri mereka.
malaysia,
no need to give a damn to zebra @ pembangkang DAP. he is just a grumpy stupid old man.
all his points are not relevant. he is just an ultra racist. blindly pro BN old grumpy zebra.
he likes to talk about ' perlembagaan ' everyday. particularly 153. any other article in the constitution is not relevant to him.
malaysia,
regarding the volunteer fire fighters, those who joked about it are those real katak bawah tempurung.
they dont know what they are missing anyway.
they dont know what is muhibbah. just let them be. and you can joke with your friends about how stupid and big ego these kataks!!!
malaysia,
by the way, there is a history lecturer here. just in case you need to know anything in the bygone era, all you need to do is just to 'sekel' his head and he will be very willingly tell you the stories.
anyway he will repeat them everyday about 10 times a day, just like the episodes in Astro. enjoy :)
Ada 3 perkara -
1. ta'at setia kpd negara
2. nasionalistik terhadap negara
3. patriotik kpd negara
Patriotik tu perasaan yang paling tinggi. Mcm kata RT, sanggup mati kerana negara. Marah bila orang caci negara. Sentiasa mahu menonjolkan kebaikan negara. Bangga bila sebut dia rakyat Malaysia. Bila ditanya diluar negara, dengan rasa bangga depa kata depa "Malaysian", bukan "I'm Chinese". Dan bukan "I'm Sun Yat Sen first".
Sanggup mati tu bukan saja cara masuk Tentera. Juga mempertahankan bendera Malaysia jika, umpamanya, lihat orang bakar bendera negara kita. Itu lambang kedaulatan negara. Juga kedaulatan Raja Raja. Mereka juga lambang kedaulatan negara. Dilindung Akta Hasutan. Kedudukan mereka tak boleh disentuh walau pun ada 2/3 majoriti diParlimen.
Jadi, dimasa depa baring dijalan menghalang kereta Raja Muda Perak dahulu, ada yang patriotik ke menyekat depa? Mungkin belom sempat orang ramai nak halang, pihak keselamatan dah ambil tindakan nak elakkan jadi gaduh besar.
Sifat ta'at setia, nasionalistik dan patriotik itu boleh dilihat dari
1. Ikut Perlembagaan sepenuhnya
2. Ikut Rukun Negara
3. Berdiri bila lagu national anthem dimainkan
4. Menegur sesiapa yang tidak berbuat demikian
5. Mempertahankan maruah negara hingga sanggup mati baginya
Zaman dulu omputih diEngland kata "My country, right or wrong". Ada puru, kudis atau pekong pun negara, depa tetap cintakan negara. Mana negara yang takda puru, kudis dan pekong? Amerika pun ada tahanan tanpa bicara mcm ISA kita.
Betui kata orang depa yang "When the going gets tough, the 'not tough' gets going (ingat nak cabut) tu tkda rasa ta'at setia kpd negara ini. Buat pa Kerajaan nak belanja juta juta pi pelembut depa balik Malaysia. Yang belajaq tak balik tu boleh dicuba.
Tapi buat pa nak peduli depa yang cabut keEngland, koyak paspot bila sampai sana, pastu tersangkut ditahan Imigeresen England, hidup merana tak diberi kebenaran menetap disana, meringkut kerana diam cara haram, kena eksploitasi gaji rendah kerja direstoran Cina diChinatown London dll. Banyak depa yang cabut tu dari Penang dan Melaka. Biaq pi la depa nak pi pun. Begitu juga yang cabut ke Ostorlia dan Kanada.
Rakyat yang paling bagus ada tiga tiga ciri ta'a setia, nasionalistik dan patriotik tu dalam diri. Semua rakyat mesti sekurang kurangnya ta'at setia kapada Perlembagaan. Bukan rakyat pun mesti, asalkan depa tinggal dinegara ini. Kalau tak, boleh nyah.
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Saya sokong mereka yang kata ta'at setia, nasionalisme dan patriotisme itu mesti berdasar kpd hormat kpd Perlembagaan. Kalau tak, mcm mana nak tahu orang tu ta'at setia ke, nasionalistik ke, patriotik ke.
Takkan sebab dia pakai nama "malaysia", cuba mohon masuk Tentera Udara, dia ta'at setia ke, nasionalistik ke, patriotik ke? Bayaq cukai saja tu ta'at setia ke?
Tak langgaq undang-undang terafik tu ta'at setia ke? Kalau tak hormat Bahasa Kebangsaan Per 152 Perlembagaan mcm mana? Bukan ke Perlembagaan tu undang undang yang tertinggi dinegara ini?
Mesti hormat semua aspek Perlembagaan. Termasuk 152 Bahasa Kebangsaan dan 153 Hak Istimewa Melayu dan Bumiputera Sabah dan Sarawak. Tidak lain, tidak bukan.
Ada Akta Hasutan bagi depa yang mahu pinda. Dan ISA jika depa melampau, hendakkan kacau bilau.
Mau tukaq 152 dan 153 mesti membawa kpd kacau bilau. Depa yang nak mencebis diskaun perumahan Bumiputera dan mahukan sasaran ekuiti Bumiputera dihapuskan pun sudah membawa kpd yang lain mahukan hak kerakyatan depa dihapuskan juga.
Yang kata pengganas kominis Chin Peng dan Parti Kominis Malaya tu nasionalistik, depa mengarut. Tak masuk akal. Saya sokong ikhwan ke siapa ke diblog ini ada kata Malayan People's Anti-Japanese Army pun bukan nasionlis. Sebab depa kemudian tukar nama kpd Parti Kominis Malaya. PKM mahu bawak Malaya kebawah naungan negeri China Kominis.
Kita kena waspada kpd depa yang mahukan Chin Peng masuk Malaysia. Tidak ada so'al nak mati dan ditanam sebelah bapaknya. Tidak boleh dilupakan kekejaman depa yang menderhaka kpd negara. Bukan itu saja - cuba pikiaqkan berapa ribu nyawa binasa dibawah tangan depa. Berapa ratus juta (tafsir sekarang beribu juta) harta benda dijahnam depa pengkhianat. Berapa puluh ribu, mungkin ratusan ribu, anak cucu depa yang dibunuh pengganas kominis masih merasa kehilangan depa yang dicinta.
Waspada jugak kpd depa yang tidak setuju Sejarah dimestikan disekolah sekolah. Dan depa yang cuba tukaq sejarah negara ini. Menulis diWikipedia (yang budak sekolah pun boleh tulih dan pinda bila bila masa) mengata, umpamanya, kononnya Chin Peng dan Parti Kominis Malaya itu nasionalistik. Mcm pernah orang kata, nasionalistik kaki saya.
ikhwan,
you argued we should use facts.
since when did this dr uses facts?
he is using emotive rhetoric, arguing his points like some 'secondary-school-table-banging-debate' novice.
To think that this dr is a phd holder and senior lecturer is just scary and disgusting. biased viewpoints, poor rhetoric, unbalanced arguments, unjustified heckling etc. and his viewpoint is enlightening? you find one side 'accusing' another side as enlightening?
how can you blame Song for being sarcastic? he is a chinese, so am i. i couldnt care less about china economy or how many golds they win at asiad. i am malaysian; not an army but i love my country. i want msia to do well, whether is ahmad, ah chong or muthu. i grew up with them, and we knows no hatred until ppl like ridhuan tee inflames us.
if what dr ever write is just to point out how one party is ultra kiasu, while he is holier than thou (urgh), then we will continue to be divided and more ppl like SONGS will be sarcastic.
remember, i am a chinese and i love malaysia. i dont care for china. i only care if ahmad and muthu has food to feed their families. and to be patriotic, lets make sure we msian work hard together to achieve that, whether we are army or not.
Dave
Speak for yourself, man. Give us yr facts. Or valid arguments. Just saying I love my country doesn't make you a loyal, nationalistic or patriotic citizen, man.
Read, so that you know what those words mean. The Dr must have studied at least 5-6 years to get his Phd - do you know that? And, as a Senior Lecturer, he has to keep reading and learning to keep abreast with current affairs, concepts of patriotism, etc. But you - what do you keep in your breast?
You are loyal, nationalistic and patriotic just because you want everybody to have enough food on the table?
malaysia,
the zebra@pembangkang DAP just repeated the ' perlembagaan ' lecture at 8.27am and 8.43am.
however, if you missed the class dont worry, there will be a repeat sometime today. dont worry!
Dave,
what happended? you just 'sekel' this old grumpy zebra's head is it?
he is turning his attention to you now.
no worry Dave. when you get bored of his nonsense, just 'sekel' his head again, just like how you sekel the head of a soft toy donkey.
this is just an useless grumpy old man who has nothing to contribute to the country but instead trying to instill the wrong values and teachings to the naive people to become fanatics and extremists in the future in the name of respecting the constitution.
Dave said:
"Ikhwan you argued we should use facts. since when did this dr uses facts?"
I am amazed on how could you have missed the fact in Dr RT article
In particular to this topic of Patriotik.
Perhaps your Bahasa Malaysia is not that well to read his article. So let me point you where it is and Let us examined the fact that he just presented:
In summary; that the example of how non patriotic of some of the chinese are indicative of the following:
1. The low representation of the chinese in the government sector and in the defense section. The overall population of chinese in Malaysia is approximately more than20% however the representative numbers that joined government sector and the police are only 9.37% and 3% respectively.
2. The call of MPAJA as a symbol of patriotisme. (Do you want me to point out where we got this fact from? Just go to the Malaysian insider)
3. Naming of place etc such as museum with the name of communist icon who are not even a Malaysian and infact an Icon in the communist republic of China. (Again do you want me to point out where we got this fact? see the Star 9/11/2010)
Dave,
Are all of the above are a non fact? Is it not a credible argument?
If you are not among those who are calling for the above and things that are similar to those extent, then rest assured that you are not the intended viewer of his article.
Bak kata pepatah Melayu; "Siapa yang makan cili, dialah yang terasa pedas"
More of Dave;
"you find one side 'accusing' another side as enlightening?"
My answer: Indeed I find the side where the truth come as always enlightening!
Well, what do you think of the one sided Malaysia Today and Malaysia Insider? That must be enlightening to you as well with all the Malay muslim bashing.
Dave said: "how can you blame Song for being sarcastic? he is a chinese, so am i. i couldnt care less about china economy or how many golds they win at asiad. i am malaysian; not an army but i love my country"
I wouldn't blame SONG for being sarcastic but rest assure that I will be more than happy to reply with more sarcasm. With all the issues that Dr RT has just presented above, would you blame the Malay to be sarcastic?
Dave, I have stated over and over again that being a patriotic Malaysian is not just about saying "I love Malaysia" It is about the uphold of the perlembagaan, Respect for the bahasa kebangsaan, Respect for the official religiuos of Malaysia and the pride of our own national heritage.
With all the issues that Dr RT has highlighted in his article, could you exemplify any of them that is inline with what I have mention above? Our chinese athlete when winning in tournaments, when being interviewed, do they speak B.Malaysia? A clear example is our own badminton star L.C.W! There is nothing to differentiate them as Malaysian beside their I.C. from the winners from China that speak the official language of China i.e. mandarin. Its a pity that such level of B.Malaysia still exist and after 50 years of Merdeka this is down right hillarious.
Is the naming of a path or museum in the name of Sun Yat Sen a Communist legend from the Republic of China a patriotic act? Giving precedence over our Malaysian own icon/legend?
Please enlightened me of the above FACTs Mr Dave.
And furthermore Dave continue;
"and we knows no hatred until ppl like ridhuan tee inflames us"
Wow you are being inflames by Dr RT. Guess what? the likes of Dr RT, Demi Negara, Perkasa, me and others were practically non existence until we were inflames by the degenerate remarks and comments made by the Ultrakiasu chinese after their supposed winning of the PRU 12 of 2008. You have no one else to blame for your hatred beside your own kind.
here I like to clarify that all of my comments are/were only made and directed to those delusional ultrachauvinist chinese with their "malaysian malaysia" and "nation within nation" rethoric!
All other chinese that are not involved with the above delusion and identity issue, can rest assure that they are welcome to stay in Malaysia and in no way that I meant to hurt their feelings etc.
More of Dave;
"you find one side 'accusing' another side as enlightening?"
My answer: Indeed I find the side where the truth come as always enlightening!
Well, what do you think of the one sided Malaysia Today and Malaysia Insider? That must be enlightening to you as well with all the Malay muslim bashing.
Dave said: "how can you blame Song for being sarcastic? he is a chinese, so am i. i couldnt care less about china economy or how many golds they win at asiad. i am malaysian; not an army but i love my country"
I wouldn't blame SONG for being sarcastic but rest assure that I will be more than happy to reply with more sarcasm. With all the issues that Dr RT has just presented above, would you blame the Malay to be sarcastic?
Dave, I have stated over and over again that being a patriotic Malaysian is not just about saying "I love Malaysia" It is about the uphold of the perlembagaan, Respect for the bahasa kebangsaan, Respect for the official religiuos of Malaysia and the pride of our own national heritage.
With all the issues that Dr RT has highlighted in his article, could you exemplify any of them that is inline with what I have mention above? Our chinese athlete when winning in tournaments, when being interviewed, do they speak B.Malaysia? A clear example is our own badminton star L.C.W! There is nothing to differentiate them as Malaysian beside their I.C. from the winners from China that speak the official language of China i.e. mandarin. Its a pity that such level of B.Malaysia still exist and after 50 years of Merdeka this is down right hillarious.
Is the naming of a path or museum in the name of Sun Yat Sen a Communist legend from the Republic of China a patriotic act? Giving precedence over our Malaysian own icon/legend?
Please enlightened me of the above FACTs Mr Dave.
And furthermore Dave continue;
"and we knows no hatred until ppl like ridhuan tee inflames us"
Wow you are being inflames by Dr RT. Guess what? the likes of Dr RT, Demi Negara, Perkasa, me and others were practically non existence until we were inflames by the degenerate remarks and comments made by the Ultrakiasu chinese after their supposed winning of the PRU 12 of 2008. You have no one else to blame for your hatred beside your own kind.
here I like to clarify that all of my comments are/were only made and directed to those delusional ultrachauvinist chinese with their "malaysian malaysia" and "nation within nation" rethoric!
All other chinese that are not involved with the above delusion and identity issue, can rest assure that they are welcome to stay in Malaysia and in no way that I meant to hurt their feelings etc.
Well done ikhwan. I like your rebuttal.
Mebbe the fellas don't understand even the word rebuttal. Mebbee think it's somethin' to do with butts. Dat no matter la. But Bahasa Malaysia no exkuse dunno one la. Yet say dey loyal, patriotic sommore.
PENYOKONG DAP has been quiet. Mebbe because so busy menyokong his horse in the Selangor DAP election race.
Glad that the door-banging, Exco letterhead-abusing, Underworld linking Ronnie Liu has been voted out. Wanna do wat some PAS and PKR fellas here have been doin' - copy and paste. Here goes, from the Star -
"PETALING JAYA: Controversial executive councillor Ronnie Liu has failed to get elected to the 15-man Selangor DAP committee.
Liu, who was jeered when his name was announced as one of the candidates in the state party polls yesterday, could only muster 369 votes from the 1,015 delegates."
But another nasty one came in, the one who even complained about the Muslim azan call to prayers, but say nothing about the dong-dong chei of the Lion dance -
"Senior executive councillor and Kinrara assemblyman Teresa Kok was the biggest winner of the day. Although she came in 11th with 437 votes, she was later elected state chief by the state committee."
Funny system they have - she was 11th in number of votes got but got elected as State Chief. Mebbe they wanna the roughest of them all. A woman also as boss.
Where got loyalty, nationalism and patriotism when she even complains about the others' religious practice of the azan? She no know Islam is the official religion of the country, ha? She no read the Perlembagaan ha?
Kepada Ikhwan, Orang Muor dan lelaian.
Tak usah buang masa duk kutuk si nazri tu. dia memang jenis melayu yang bengong lagi bangang.
Alang kan mahathir yang begitu banyak jasa pun dia boleh boleh kondem. Jadi kita dah boleh baca, apa jenis melayu sebenarnya si nazri ni.
Kita tunggu. Masanya akan tiba untuk mengajar si nazri ni. PRU 13 pun bukan jauh lagi.
Sewaktu PRU kita kena faham. Itu lah satu2nya peluang kita untuk mengajar pemimpin2 politik yang tidak sesuai dengan selera dan kemahuan kita.
So bawa bersabar. Selepas PRU 13 nanti si nazri ni akan tahu lah untung nasibnya.
" Pendek kata apa yang berlaku sejak UMNO/BN diberi mandat memerintah selama 50 tahun lebib ini orang Melayu bukan saja dihalau malah telah dikhianati oleh umno yang membela nasib bangsa Melayu, agama dan negara " (Abdullah Ngah)
Adakah dengan buat bandingan semacam ini anda sebenarnya merestui apa yang dilakukan oleh LGE kepada orang2 melayu. Kalau kerajaan Umno/BN buat naiya kepada melayu, yang kita harapkan adalah kerajaan DAP/PR tidak buat seperti yang BN buat.
Kalau kerjaan DAP/PR pun buat benda yang serupa kepada orang melayu, so apa lebih baiknya kerjaan DAP/PR jika dibandingkan dengan kerajaan UMNO/BN ????.
Terhasilnya kekuatan luar biasa DAP/PR selepas PRU 12 yang lalu pun adalah kerana undi protes daripada orang2 melayu yang turut meluat kepada Umno. Meluat kepada Umno kerana termakan hasutan mereka2 yang hendak menumbang kerajaan yang diterajui oleh orang melayu sendiri.
Pada saya atas apa yang berlaku kepada melayu pulau pinang itu, ada hikmahnya untuk difikir2kan dan direnung2kan.
By the way,
I have nothing against our badminton star L.C.W. I think and I hope he is not inline with other chinese chauvinist ultrakiasu.
I believe he is just one of the victim of our own vernakular school system. Been living in one community, been schooling in a school dominated by one spesific community. Perhaps been living in a state with a lot of delusional people (I think a lot of people here know what state that is).
And here it is, their product, with B.Malaysia level almost similar, if not less, than that of the new PENDATANG from the Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Blog RT ini nampaknya kembali panas semula. Tapi sayang sekali, panas bukan kerana perbincangan yang membina tapi dipenuhi dengan kutuk mengutuk dan caci mencaci.
Ada faedah kah kepada kita semua ?
tokgaru,
Sokong kata kata Sdr kpd yang berkenaan -
"Kalau kerjaan DAP/PR pun buat benda yang serupa kepada orang melayu, so apa lebih baiknya kerjaan DAP/PR ... ????."
Tambah pulak: depa "Sun Yat Sen first".
Cakap "Malaysian first". Bikin "Sun Yat Sen first". Cakap tak serupa bikin.
Orang pandang ke Timur - Jepun. Depa pandang ke Timur tapi Barat sikit - China Kominis.
Langsung tak fikirkan Malaysia. Kot Malaysia dijadikan depa satu propinsi China Kominis jika dapat perintah Federal. Bahaya depa tu.
Dear Song
A true practicing Muslim will not 'sekel' your head.
We can learn this from looking at how the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) dealt with the mistake made by the Bedouin who urinated in the mosque, as was reported by Al-Bukhaari reported from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him):
“A Bedouin urinated in the mosque, and the people got up to sort him out. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to them, ‘Leave him alone, and throw a bucket of water over it. You have been sent to make things easy for people, not to make things hard.’ ” (Fath, 6128).
The principle which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) followed in dealing with this mistake was to treat the man gently, not to be harsh with him.
As for my brothers and sisters in Islam,
This wise manner of dealing with the problem had a far-reaching effect on the Bedouin, as is clear from his reaction. Ibn Maajah reported that Abu Hurayrah said:
“A Bedouin entered the mosque where the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was sitting, and said, ‘O Allaah, forgive me and Muhammad, and do not forgive anyone else.’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) smiled and said, ‘You are narrowing something vast.’ Then (the Bedouin) went away to the furthest part of the mosque, opened his legs, and began to urinate. After he had learnt better, the Bedouin said, ‘He got up, may my mother and my father be sacrificed for him, he did not rebuke me or insult me. He just said, “We do not urinate in this mosque; it was only built for the remembrance of Allaah and for prayer.” Then he called for a bucket of water and poured it over the urine.’ ” (Sunan Ibn Maajah, ‘Abd al-Baaqi edn., 529; Saheeh Ibn Maajah, 428).
Ibn Hajar (may Allaah have mercy on him) mentioned in his commentary a number of things we learn from the hadeeth about the Bedouin, among which are the following:
• We should be gentle when dealing with one who is ignorant and teach him what he needs to know without rebuking him, so long as he is not acting out of stubbornness, especially if he is one who needs to be won over.
• The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was kind and dealt nicely with him.
• The idea of taking precautions against impurity (najaasah) was well-established in the minds of the Sahaabah, which is why they hastened to denounce it in the presence of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) without first asking his permission. The idea of enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil was also well-established in their minds.
• We should also hasten to remove anything objectionable when there is nothing to stop us from doing so, because when the man had finished urinating, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) issued instructions that the place should be cleaned with water.
tokgaru,
Selagi depa keluaq mengarut, kita kena patahkan karut depa tu. Tapi kalau dah macam budak kepala tak betui tu, kot kita biaq pi.
Yang lain, kita bagi hujah hujah kita. Memang yang kereh kepala batu tak boleh setuju dengan kita mcm mana pun. Tapi kalau kita diamkan, takut pembaca sepintas lalu pikiaq depa betui.
Kena kasi tau depa mengarut. Dari masa kemasa. Bila depa tak keluaq, kita boleh bincang mcm biasa.
Saya cuba ambik tugas PEMBANGKANG DAP. Tak tahan baca PENYOKONG DAP dengan popaganda dia tak habih habih. Nak cuba kudutkan karut yang depa keluaqkan tu.
ikhwan,
looking at your reply to Dave, do you agree if i put it to you that you consider yourself a patriot?
dear anonymous,
" A true practicing Muslim will not 'sekel' your head "
i appreciate your comments.
but can i ask for permission to splash zebra@pembangkang DAP with a bucket of urine?
since he is the one who started using this word on others?
i m just repeating his actions and use it against him.
may be zebra@pembangkang DAP is not a muslim but a bedouin instead?
Saudara Pembangkang DAP
Saya faham apa yang awak bimbang. Tapi saya tak takut, sebab boleh dikatakan rata2 orang melayu dah tahu siapa DAP yang sebenarnya.
Yang termakan pujian dan sanjungan DAP kepada orang melayu ni tak berapa kerat.
Contoh paling mudah dan paling dekat dengan kita adalah Nik Aziz. Orang tua tu dengan 2 - 3 kerat ulamak dalam Pas saja yang termakan dengan pujian2an DAP.
Anwar Ibrahim kita dah nampak dia duk pulun nak kan kerusi putra jaya nak ganti najib konon.
Tapi percayalah, Nik Aziz dan Anwar Ibrahim akan kempunan mengidam kerusi putra jaya.
Saya lebih yakin dalam persepakatan PR nanti DAP yang akan dominan. So tak kan depa nak biar bagi Lim Kit Siang jadi ofis boy PR saja kut.
Saya percaya orang melayu juga dah nampak, dalam PR siapa guna siapa untuk mendapatkan kuasa nak jadi PM.
Kita harap orang melayu Pas, kalau nak sokong islam, pilih yang islam atau setidak2nya yang tahu mengucap 2 kalimah shahadah walau pun mungkin dia bukanlah penganut islam yang taat 100%. Sama juga dengan orang Umno dan begitu juga dengan orang melayu PKR.
Contohnya begini. Terpaksa memilih makanan disebuah negeri yang tidak ada orang islam. Yang ada daging ayam tak sembelih dengan daging babi. Kita kena makan sebab kalau tak makan kita akan mati.
Jadi apa pilhan saudara jika dalam keadaan begitu ?
Dear anonymous,
with all due respect to you, my statement above 2.23pm is targeted at zebra@Pembangkang DAP.
i admire your moderate approach in handling issues and religion. syabas.
Song,
I am not sure why you need to know whether I consider myself a patriot or not. may I ask why?
To ananymous
Perhaps you should put a name at the end or beginning of your comment so that we could call you by something.
With regard to the Hadis that you have quote; It is in my opinion and it looks clear to me that the Badwi was a muslim and truly ignorant about the clealiness adab in Masjid. Rasul SAW has explained to him and he took note of it and of course he will not do it again.
This is simply the opposite end of some of the cyber junkie that been insulting the muslim and the malays. They are not ignorant, they are just pretending to be ignorant. After 2/3 years of soft approach with thousands of advise, can we still consider them ignorant while they happily bash the malay and islam at every bend and turn of everything that is associated with malays?
Let me refer you to two of the translation of the part of the surahs in the holy quran:
Surah AlMaidah:5
........a people whom He loves and who love Him, humble, sympathetic towards believers, stern, severe towards disbelievers.....
Surah AlFath: 29
........his companions from among the believers subject, the predicate of which are hard, tough against the disbelievers, showing them no mercy (but) merciful among themselves......
I am not an expert in the Islam. But I guess the reader could read the above surahs and uncover the meaning of it themselves.
Furthermore lets look at the action of the Sahabah in particular of Abu Bakr AsSiddiq...After Rasul SAW died, there were a fraction of muslim who declared themselves not willing to pay zakah. After much of advise from Abu Bakr side, What did he do to this lost faction?
Did he still use soft approach to them? I should remind you that this people are still muslim except that they dont want to pay zakah anymore. Infact he declare war against them and bloods were shed.
I have nothing against soft approach in fact I like them however after several years being in this predicament, my question is should we still be soft? What about the heart of our own saudara of millions of malay muslim that has being teared/crush by this people for every single claim and fallacy that they have uttered?
I pray to God to keep me and all of us in the right path and Give us all your Hidayah and a better place in Akhirat.
Wallahua'lam
Apa yang berlaku memang ada hikmatnya.Hikmatnya ialah menguntungkan para pemimpin yang memerintah iaitu dapat kumpul harta.
Itulah yang kita nampak. Tapi apakah hikmat yang diperolehi setakat ini?
Setakat hari ini kita tak nampak ada yang insaf atas apa yang berlaku kepada orang melayu.
Lainlah jika pemimpin Melayu yang ada sekarang belum buruk di kepalanya.
Yang boleh saya kata apa yang berlaku itu hikmat keduanya ialah "nasi sudah jadi bubur".Tun Mahathir pernah sebut berulangkali.
Beliau memang tahu sangat, kerana apa yang berlaku itu adalah angkaranya juga.
bercakap Pasal orang melayu Pulau pinang, Mendiang Tun DR Lim Chong Eu dari Parti GERAKAN bertanggungjawab.
Jangan lupa ia berlaku dengan restu Umno Pulau Pinang dan UMNO Malaysia dibawah kepimpinan lima perdana menteri.
ikhwan,
for argument sake, just wonder what solid actions have you made or taken to qualify yourself as a patriot, beside talking about religion.
you mentioned about constitution, do you have any respect for it?
does the constitution only consists of article 152 and 153?
how about other article, respect for other races ?
what makes you think you are can call other races or fellow citizens PENDATANG?
like you, i also said earlier many many times. you want respect, you have to earn it. you cant coerce.
people will retaliate if you coerce as this is a democratic country.
ok for you ikhwan? i may sounded a bit harsh. not hard feelings k. thanks!
Aq bknnya alim sngt seperti Atok Nik Aziz.Tp sbg seorang Islam yg ingin mengingatkan saudara seagama.
Hai org2 yg beriman,jgnlah kamu ambil menjadi teman kepercayaanmu org2 yg di luar kalanganmu(kerana)mereka tidak henti-hentinya(menimbulkan)kemudharatan bagimu.Mereka menyukai apa yg menyusahkanmu.Telah nyata kebencian dr mulut mereka,dan apa yg disembunyikan oleh hati mereka lebih besar lg.Sungguh telah Kami terangkn kpdmu ayat2(Kami),jika kamu memahaminya.
(Surah Ali Imran:ayat 118)
Sebenarnya ayat ini ditujukan kpd org Yahudi dimana dilarangan mengambil org Yahudi ini dijadikn teman.
Persoalannya adakah org tut tut Kafir di Malaysia ini org Yahudi?Aq pernah baca satu hadis yg mengatakan:
Brgsiapa yg menyerupai perangai org Yahudi dan Nasrani maka mereka juga tergolong dlm kalangn mereka.Hadis ini hadis popular cuma aq x ingt riwayatnya.
Ok hadis ini di atas menunjukkan tidak kira mereka itu Islam atau Kafir,tidak menghalang drpd mereka tergolong dlm Yahudi dan Nasrani.Jd mari kita fikir siapakah Yahudi di Malaysia ini?
Org Yahudi merupakan org paling terkaya didunia.Orang tut tut merupakan org paling terkaya di Malaysia.Kalo baik x mengapa ini bongkak.Org Yahudi berjaya merampas Palestine(Islam).Orang tut tut Kafir berjaya merampas Singapura(Kafir) @ Temasik(Islam).Ops dan P.Batu Putih.Sekarang mahu merampas Malaysia?
Persoalannya wajarkah aq membandingkan Org tut tut Kafir seperti Org Yahudi?Kenapa tidak?Mengapa aq jd begini sehingga boleh membandingkn org Yahudi dan Org tut tut?
Saudara Abdullah Ngah.
Apa yang saya nampak ialah awak dah tak boleh lagi nak menerima Umno untuk terus pegang teraju kerajaan.
Sebab apa jua yang berlaku kepada orang melayu, awak letak salahnya kepada Umno. Dan saya bukan nak bela Umno, saya sedar Umno tak sebaik mana dan Pas pun tak sejahat mana.
Tapi PKR, minta maaf, is not in my list to give consideration. Saya langsung tak dapat nak letak harapan kepada Anwar. Dan saya pun tidak tahu kenapa ?
Melihat kepada keadaan sejak akhir2 ni, saya nampak seolah2 pemimpin Umno pun dah banyak yang terpaksa menari ikut gendang ultra kiasu kerana nak tarik balik pengundi cina supaya kembali semula kepada BN.
Mana kala Pas juga terpaksa berlembut dengan DAP pada hal ungkapan "langkah mayat saya" adalah satu ungkapan yang sangat kurang ajar dan biadap. Juga kerana nak tarik pengundi cina supaya undi Pas dan jangan undi Umno bila Pas berdepan dengan Umno.
Ini semua adalah strategi Umno dan Pas dalam nak menghadapi PRU 13. Pengundi cina jadi rebutan diantara mereka berdua. Ibarat 2 teruna berperang menabur budi demi untuk memikat hati seorang amoi yang bermata sepet tapi puteh gebu.
Selepas fikir sebanyak 13 kali, maka berkata2 lah hati ku di dalam " untungnya jadi orang cina di malaysia ini ".
Tapi selepas fikir balik sebanyak 3 kali, hati ku pun berkata lah " ahhhhhh... bior lantak lah Umno dengan Pas nak bergasak, aku tahu lah siapa yang aku nak pilih "
Wahai Orang Muor
Jaga lidah mu. Kamu kata Nik Aziz bersahabat dengan yahudi ka ?
Kalau parti Lim Kit Siang tu yahudi, haram bagi Nik Aziz nak berpakat. Itu maknanya parti Lim Kit Siang bukan yahudi.
Nik Aziz tu tok guru besor, tahu lah dia mana yang halal dan mana yang haram.
Entah2 parti Najib yang yahudi tak ? Sebab itu lah Nik Aziz tak nak bersahabat dan berpakat dengan mereka.
Wallah hualamu bissawab. Hanya Nik Aziz yang boleh jawab.
tokgaru,
jgn salah tafsir :) Nik Aziz baik, cuma dah tua.Ada nyanyok sikit.
Apa kata kita ubah landscape politik Malaysia.Islam VS Kafir.
umno,pas,parti muslim2(cina&india) VS dap,pkr,mic,mca,gerakan. Apa macam?kita mesti yakin dgn kekuatan Islam.ramai muallaf skarang.ini mereka takot.
Ni ada sikit lagi berita DAP.
Nampaknya Kit Siang dan anaknya Guan Eng dah tak berapa laku didalam DAP.
The Star habaq:
"Going by the outcome of the polls and the number of votes garnered by Kok, one can infer that her supporters must have either ditched her or wanted to tell her she is not indispensible.
Many also believe that Kok’s near-dismal performance could also be attributed to the interference of party adviser Lim Kit Siang and his son DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng who had openly endorsed Kok and her line-up.
Denying Kok her usual ground breaking victory could probably be the grassroots’ way of conveying the message – they refuse to be dictated to by “the emperor and his son” any more."
Saya pikiaq negara ini aman sikit kalau Kit Siang dan anaknya tak ada dalam arena politik. Depa anak beranak tak tau langsung apa dia ta'at setia, nasionalisme dan patriotisme. Kalau tau pun, konsep depa mereng.
Depa kata perang diDAP Selangor hanya baru bermula. Mungkin akan perang besaq antara depa dlm masa berikutan.
"As veteran party member K.N. Chandran pointed out, the DAP had never faced anything even remotely similar to the current turn of events.
"The sacking of Tee Boon Hock while Pandamaran assemblyman Ronnie Liu was let off with a mere reprimand over the support letter scandal is also definitely one of the factors behind the outcome of the polls.
"Seeing the composition of the line-up, one can assume that the show or rather showdown in the Selangor DAP leadership is only just beginning.
"The question also remains if Teng will convince his state committee colleagues to co-opt Liu as promised in his manifesto leading-up to the polls.
"(Teng had promised that all elected representatives would be co-opted into the committee in the event they lost in the polls.)
"If he does and Liu is appointed to the state committee, we can either expect gargantuan fireworks ..."
Ini ke yang dinamakan parti demokratik - DEMOCRATIC Action Party (DAP)?
Mcm mana demokratik bila depa tak bagi chan nak bincang "sacking of former Selangor DAP organising secretary Tee Boon Hock" dan lepaskan Ronnie Liu dlm kes guna kepala surat Exco sokong tender.
"Delegates from branches in the Klang parliamentary constituency tried their best to debate Tee’s sacking but were stopped by convention speaker Ng Wei Aik ... it was turned down by Ng after a short deliberation.
"Klang councillor Ivan Ho said a motion to debate Tee’s sacking was submitted to the convention’s organising committee three weeks ago. However, it had not been included in the convention’s debate.
"Several other delegates stood to challenge the party’s decision to sack Tee.
"Every time his name was mentioned, there were applause and cheers."
Tapi depa ada konvention, MP depa mabuk minum arak dan berlagak tak senonoh pulak. Mcm ni ke yang nak perintah Federal? Cuba baca berita hak ni pulak:
"Later, Segambut MP Lim Lip Eng caused a minor commotion when he grabbed the microphone and shouted “Teresa, you have won!” when Teresa Kok was replying to queries during the debate."
He was ushered out of the hall. When approached later, Lim confessed he was slightly intoxicated.
Party members in charge of security also asked press photographers not to take Lim’s photograph as he was escorted out.
Teruklah negara. Tak ngaku ada buat salah pulak. Ngata semua orang lain buat salah, depa semua yang betui. Apa jenis maanusia ni?
I believe the question of joining the armed forces is beyond patriotism. It's mostly related to cultures and lifestyles, most important, people choose a career to "cari makan". 21st century is more on chances, foresight, intelligence and hard work. You say the Chinese kiasi, but what did the government do to make them feel they belong to Malaysia, inspire them to join the military? It's true that every Malaysian should defend his country, but please make everyone feel they belong to the country,vice versa. Leave out communism, MPAJA, etc, those are old stories and irrelevant now. PhD doesn't mean what he say is totally true, did he do in-depth study and publish it? Where are the journals? Did he do interviews why non-Malays don't like to join military? Think in down-top approach, not top-down.
Song said: “you mentioned about constitution, do you have any respect for it?
does the constitution only consists of article 152 and 153?
how about other article, respect for other races ?
what makes you think you are can call other races or fellow citizens PENDATANG?”
My reply: Good point Song; Yeah what about that other article; respect for other races?
Perhaps you should preach this article to your cyber junkie friends in MT and Malaysian Insider. The harsh words that you have been getting here is only mild in comparison with the racist trash that been dominating those blogs.
I have no right and I dislike calling anybody Pendatang. But if that anybody act like pendatang then I should give them what they have been wishing for. I will not hesitate to call them pendatang over and over again. So my advise is please don’t act like one.
More of Song: “like you, i also said earlier many many times. you want respect, you have to earn it. you cant coerce.
people will retaliate if you coerce as this is a democratic country.”
I have nothing to say. I totally agree. You want respect, you have to earn it and if you coerce, people will retaliate. I totally agree that this is democratic country and not the country of The Communist Republic of China.
As for me, I don’t want your respect. All that I want is for you and your people to respect the constitution of Malaysia.
You can talk trash about me or whatever you like. I couldn’t care less
Regards
Everybody, this is ikhwan
For some reason the comment that I post using my old email doesn’t appear in this blog anymore. I wonder why.
I have to rewrite the response to Song again:
Song,
I have absolutely no hard feeling and I wish the same on your side.
Song said:
“for argument sake, just wonder what solid actions have you made or taken to qualify yourself as a patriot, “
I don’t think it is appropriate for me to flaunt here the solid action that I have taken as for me to qualify as a patriot. I may be qualify and may not be qualified at all. I leave it to the people around me to make their judgement.
Song further said: “beside talking about religion”??
(Me shaking my head). I have been writing a lot in my comment and all that you can say about me is just talking about religion? Some people folk, they would only see what they want. If they seek for the false, then it is the false that they will find. They cannot see the truth even though the truth has been staring right in front of their eyes all along.
Haaa, true colours come out from one of them -
"what did the government do to make them feel they belong to Malaysia .. please make everyone feel they belong to the country .." he said.
Talk about patriotism. This fler comes out with one of those "Give me what I want then only I give the country what it wants". Can you ever expect loyalty from this kind of fellows? Let alone nationalism and patriotism.
He has never heard about the famous words of President JF Kennedy, "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country".
Then he says he's tired. Even uses the blogging name tired. Like the dying communist terrorist Chin Peng, he expects people to put what he wants on a silver platter, simply say forget about the past, open a new chapter, every body is equal, don't even mention the Constitution, don't even acknowledge the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumis of Sabah and Sarawak. Very convenient, very senang for the likes of him. Boleh ke ini mcm, folks? Mana boleh. Very selfish. More than kiasu.
What "down-top approach" is this fler talking about?
to Tired;
Ok let us not talk about the participation of others in the defense sector.
Perhaps if our country in needed of a patriot, these people would happily volunteer to be in the front line to defense our country off course without being in the defense sector as a permanent. (I certainly hope that this is this the case although ada sikit sikit keraguan)
I guess I could accept that argument.
-ikhwan
Tired further said: "You say the Chinese kiasi, but what did the government do to make them feel they belong to Malaysia, inspire them to join the military?"
Emm...good question what did the government do eh? Perhaps the kerakyatan, peluang untuk mecari kekayaan dsb....
Not enough? You want equality (sama rata)? Baru mau feel belong to malaysia?
This question ought to be reply with a question as well....
Well what did you guys do to make Malaysia feel that you belong to Malaysia?
Object to the one school system with one Bahasa kebangsaan?
Naming path/museum with the Communist Icon from The Republic of China?
Calling for MPAJA as the pejuang negara?
Speaking in foreign language in official cases?
Putting up foreign language signboard in par with the Malaysia language?
How can there be sama rata when some of you guys are not willing to be Bangsa Malaysia?
-ikhwan
Now coming back to this equality feeling. I understand the plight of my Indian and Chinese brothers.
I certainly don't agree with the system that we got now. Perhaps the percentage system that Dr RT introduce i.e. the 60/20/10 etc in any government allocation in any aspect; education, religious issue etc would be quite fair. This means that from every race there would have XX% equally getting the help from the government. And of course, the very poor should be help equally regardless of their races.
This should be applied to every aspect including the business that is currently dominated by the chinese.
So here my friend, there is equal give and take. Dont you agree?
-ikhwan
Tired,
Please dont mention about meritocracy...This is to me just another nickname for Undang Undang RIMBA. We are human being that has compassion not binatang. Yang kuat akan bertambah kuat dan yang lemah akan menjadi mangsa.
Until the malay, chinese and others are able to look past beyond their skin colour, I think the above is the best way to go.
Tired said: “Leave out communism, MPAJA, etc, those are old stories and irrelevant now”
My reply: ????? blur and confuse.
Why are you asking this question back to us?
We are not the one that have been bringing all this sensitive issues up to the air. Look at the Ultrakiasu blog MT and Malaysian Insider. Ask them!
-ikhwan
Dear ikhwan
I hope you are aware of this story;
In the corner of the marketplace of Madinah, was a blind Jewish beggar, who would cry out daily to all those who came near him," O my brothers, don't be near Muhammad! He's a lunatic, he's a liar, a sorcerer! If you are to be close to him, you will be influenced by him!"
No matter whoever approached him, the blind Jewish beggar will definitely not waste his chance to incite them to hate the Prophet Muhammad, Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam (peace be upon him)!
All kinds of curses would spew forth from the beggar's lips even though he had never known the Prophet personally!
The news about the blind Jewish beggar's daily cursing and badmouthing him came to the knowledge of the Prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam!
Even then, the Holy Prophet Muhammad did not get angry and he ignored the blind Jewish beggar's insults against himself!
On the contrary, from that day onwards, at each morning, the Prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam visited the blind beggar and brought food for him!
Without saying a single word, the Blessed Messenger (peace be upon him) would feed the beggar with his own hand!
The blind beggar would chew the food being fed to him and eat contentedly. Once he was full, he'd express his gratitude without knowing that the one who had fed him was the Holy Prophet of Allah, Muhammad Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam!
The Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam continued to feed the blind beggar without fail each day till the day he died!
Throughout his service to the blind beggar, he never identified himself to the blind Jewish beggar!
After the Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam had passed away, no one brought food to the blind beggar anymore!
The blind Jewish beggar waited daily and was perplexed as to why the kind man did no longer come to feed him and provide for him as he had done all this while.
The blind beggar waited in vain for the kind gentleman who had never missed visiting him each and every morning all these while .
One day, the closest Companion of the Holy Prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam, Saiyidina Abu Bakar As Siddiq @ The Truthful One, Radhiallahu Anhu (May Allah be pleased with him) visited the home of his daughter, Saiyidatina Aishah, Radhiallahu Anha (May Allah be pleased with her), the widow of the Blessed Messenger (SAW). Abu Bakar asked Aishah, " O my child, is there any habit of my beloved (Prophet) that I have yet to carry on?"
Aisyah replied, " Dear Father, you are verily a follower of the Sunnah (Habits) of the Prophet and there is none that you have yet to do except for one deed only!"
" What is that?" asked Abu Bakar.
"Every morning, the Prophet of Allah will go to the end of the marketplace, bringing food to a blind old Jewish beggar who lives there and feed him by his hand," said Aishah.
The next day, Abu Bakar As Siddiq went to the marketplace with food for the blind beggar. Abu Bakar As Siddiq approached the beggar and started to feed him.
At the first handfull of food being fed to him, the blind Jewish beggar became angry and shouted out ," Who are you?"
Abu Bakar answered " I am the one who usually feeds you every morning".
"No! Don't you lie to me!" objected the blind beggar.
Abu Bakar was shocked, thus he asked" Why do you say so?"
Answered the blind Jewish beggar," Because when he comes to me, I always felt it easy to hold his hand and found it easy to chew the food he fed me! The man who used to feed me would make the food fine before feeding it to me!"
Abu Bakar As Siddiq could not hold back his tears anymore and he burst out crying and had to disclose who he actually was to the beggar.
"Verily, I am not the one who used to come and feed you. I am one of his Companions for the noble one is alive no more! He was none other than the Blessed Prophet of Allah, Muhammad Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam!"
"Muhammad?" asked the blind old Jewish beggar, totally shocked with what he had just heard. "You mean to tell me that the one who came each morning without fail and fed me by his hand was Muhammad?" asked the beggar.
"Yes! It was Muhammad!" answered Abu Bakar.
Immediately, the blind old Jewish beggar wailed out in despair and cried so pitifully coming to realise that it was none other than the Holy Prophet who had been feeding him all this while.
"All these while!...all these while, I had been cursing him, I had been slandering him! Not once has he ever scolded me ! He kept coming every morning to feed me! He is so noble!.." cried the old blind Jewish beggar as he wiped away his flowing tears on his cheeks.
The blind beggar reached out to Saiyidina Abu Bakar As Siddiq, the first Caliph of the Muslims and testified before him the Kalimah Shahadah : 'Ash har doo Allah ila ha ill lall Lah! Wa ash har doo anna Muhammad darr Rasulullah!' declaring that There is No God but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah!
From that moment onwards, the blind old Jewish beggar became a Muslim.
Ala anonymous bru skarang nk muncul :)
The story (07:34) was addressed to ikhwan comment at 3:03pm.
Salam to anonymous;
I wish you could put down you name or nickname so that we ought to call you with something.
I appreciate your sentiment. I am aware of the stories and infact I am also aware of other stories with similar line to that I just presented before. I would certainly share if could find a proper references.
I don't like to discuss along the religious line as I am not really that expert in it. nanti silap haribulan mengajar benda benda sesat pulak.
Well it seems that you have a way of being soft and I hope while defending the Malay Muslim.
Show us your skill....I wish you could preach to all of us this true Islamic teaching while not sitting idle watching the malay muslim being bash down to their core in the cyber space.
-ikhwan
Pembangkang DAP
Obviously I've heard of Kennedy's words. I didn't ask for any benefits from the country, but to see that people with not-broad mind set arguing this is just sickening. Don't compare with US, for we are still lagging behind in racial equality. Be realistic, we all are blessed in to live together in this peaceful country, but lets mutually respect each other. It's not about taking away Malay rights,etc; but common sense tells us we need to help those in more desperate situation. I'll not object to give help to Ali who needs financial help to further his study, but if Ahmad who comes from a rich family gets it,don't you think it's sickening? In economic sense, what I'm seeing is the rich gets richer, the poor gets poorer, that's the problem. Obviously your reading scope is not broad enough to understand the term "down-top approach", in a sense that we, as ordinary citizens, can contribute directly into inputs on how to solve a problems provided we've a platform, not just another leader/group think their idea's correct.
Ikhwan,
Bangsa Malaysia shouldn't be limited with only one language,one culture,one schooling. Every race should be allowed to preserve their culture,ie. having vernacular schools, and note that we learned BM as well. Speaking foreign language in official case? Specifically referring to what?English? If that's the case, it's due to the sense of where the language is used, ie courts, universities, etc where it's an ease of communication and intelligence exchange. Noticed how many journals, court records written in English? For road signs, I guess why should we argue over it? Don't you think having more languages in it will be much easier for everyone to understand? We've more foreigners coming in every year, as tourists, workers, students.
Why naming a museum after SYS? I guess you should've done more readings into his struggles and backgrounds, not just political beliefs before more discussions into this.
What the Chinese did? Countless..but who we're to question others' contribution. I guess this is pointless, but I appreciate everyone that contributed to our country regardless of their races.
I'm not protecting Ultrakiasu, but speaking on behalf on the young Chinese that grow up in multiracial schooling environment, that believe something's just outdated and backlogs to our development.
Dear ikhwan
Who am I to preach?
Perhaps, these ayat from the quran can enlighten your request;
Allah describes the rebellion and stubbornness of the idolators in defying the truth and arguing against it,
﴿وَلَوْ نَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ كِتَـباً فِى قِرْطَاسٍ فَلَمَسُوهُ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ﴾
(And even if We had sent down unto you a Message written on paper so that they could touch it with their hands,) meaning, if they saw this Message's descent and were eye- witnesses to that,
﴿لَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ إِنْ هَـذَآ إِلاَّ سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ﴾
(the disbelievers would have said: "This is nothing but obvious magic!'') This is similar to Allah's description of the disbelievers' defiance of facts and truth,
﴿وَلَوْ فَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِم بَاباً مِّنَ السَّمَاءِ فَظَلُّواْ فِيهِ يَعْرُجُونَ - لَقَالُواْ إِنَّمَا سُكِّرَتْ أَبْصَـرُنَا بَلْ نَحْنُ قَوْمٌ مَّسْحُورُونَ ﴾
(And even if We opened to them a gate from the heaven and they were to continue ascending thereto. They would surely say: "Our eyes have been (as if) dazzled. Nay, we are a people bewitched.'') ﴿15:14-15﴾, and,
﴿وَإِن يَرَوْاْ كِسْفاً مِّنَ السَّمَآءِ سَـقِطاً يَقُولُواْ سَحَـبٌ مَّرْكُومٌ ﴾
(And if they were to see a piece of the heaven falling down, they would say, "Clouds gathered in heaps!'') ﴿52:44﴾.
﴿وَقَالُواْ لَوْلا أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ مَلَكٌ﴾
(And they say: "Why has not an angel been sent down to him'') to convey the Message with admonition along with him. Allah replied,
﴿وَلَوْ أَنزَلْنَا مَلَكاً لَّقُضِىَ الاٌّمْرُ ثُمَّ لاَ يُنظَرُونَ﴾
(Had We sent down an angel, the matter would have been judged at once, and no respite would be granted to them.) Consequently, even if the angels descend, while the disbelievers still had the same attitude, then the torment will surely befall them from Allah as a consequence. Allah said in other Ayat,
﴿مَا نُنَزِّلُ الْمَلَـئِكَةَ إِلاَّ بِالحَقِّ وَمَا كَانُواْ إِذًا مُّنظَرِينَ ﴾
(We send not the angels down except with the truth (i.e. for torment, etc.), and in that case, they (the disbelievers) would have no respite!) ﴿15:8﴾, and,
﴿يَوْمَ يَرَوْنَ الْمَلَـئِكَةَ لاَ بُشْرَى يَوْمَئِذٍ لِّلْمُجْرِمِينَ﴾
(On the Day they will see the angels, no glad tidings will there be for the criminals that day.) ﴿25:22﴾ Allah's statement,
﴿وَلَوْ جَعَلْنَـهُ مَلَكاً لَّجَعَلْنَـهُ رَجُلاً وَلَلَبَسْنَا عَلَيْهِم مَّا يَلْبِسُونَ ﴾
(And had We appointed him an angel, We indeed would have made him a man, and We would have certainly caused them confusion in a matter which they have already covered with confusion.) meaning, if We send an angel along with the human Messenger, or if We send an angel as a Messenger to mankind, he would be in the shape of a man so that they would be able to speak to him and benefit from his teachings. In this case, the angel (in the shape of a human) will also cause confusion for them, just as the confusion they caused themselves over accepting humans as Messengers! Allah said,
﴿قُل لَوْ كَانَ فِى الاٌّرْضِ مَلَـئِكَةٌ يَمْشُونَ مُطْمَئِنِّينَ لَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْهِم مِّنَ السَّمَآءِ مَلَكًا رَّسُولاً ﴾
(Say: "If there were on the earth, angels walking about in peace and security, We should certainly have sent down for them from the heaven an angel as a Messenger.'') ﴿17:95﴾ It is a mercy from Allah to His creation that He sends every type of creation, Messengers from among their kind, so that they are able to call their people to Allah, and their people able to talk to them, ask them and benefit from them. In another Ayah, Allah said;
﴿لَقَدْ مَنَّ اللَّهُ عَلَى الْمُؤمِنِينَ إِذْ بَعَثَ فِيهِمْ رَسُولاً مِّنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ يَتْلُواْ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَايَـتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ﴾
(Indeed Allah conferred a great favor on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from among themselves, reciting unto them His verses (the Qur'an), and purifying them.) ﴿3:164﴾ Ad-Dahhak said that Ibn `Abbas said about the Ayah ﴿6:9 above﴾, "If an angel was sent to them, he would come in the shape of a man. This is because they will not be able to look at the angel due to light.''
﴿وَلَلَبَسْنَا عَلَيْهِم مَّا يَلْبِسُونَ﴾
(... and We would have certainly caused them confusion in a matter which they have already covered with confusion. ) meaning, We would confuse them over their confusion. And Al-Walibi reported Ibn `Abbas saying; "We brought doubts around them.''
Allah's statement,
﴿وَلَقَدِ اسْتُهْزِىءَ بِرُسُلٍ مِّن قَبْلِكَ فَحَاقَ بِالَّذِينَ سَخِرُواْ مِنْهُمْ مَّا كَانُواْ بِهِ يَسْتَهْزِءُونَ ﴾
(And indeed Messengers were mocked before you, but their scoffers were surrounded by the very thing that they used to mock at.) comforts the Messenger concerning the denial of him by his people. The Ayah also promises the Messenger , and his believers, of Allah's victory and the good end in this life and the Hereafter. Allah said next,
﴿قُلْ سِيرُواْ فِى الاٌّرْضِ ثُمَّ انْظُرُواْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عَـقِبَةُ الْمُكَذِّبِينَ ﴾
(Say: "Travel in the land and see what was the end of those who rejected truth.'') meaning, contemplate about yourselves and think about the afflictions Allah struck the previous nations with, those who defied His Messengers and denied them. Allah sent torment, afflictions and punishment on them in this life, as well as the painful torment in the Hereafter, while saving His Messengers and believing servants.
﴿قُل لِّمَن مَّا فِى السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ قُل للَّهِ كَتَبَ عَلَى نَفْسِهِ الرَّحْمَةَ لَيَجْمَعَنَّكُمْ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَـمَةِ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ الَّذِينَ خَسِرُواْ أَنفُسَهُمْ فَهُمْ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ - وَلَهُ مَا سَكَنَ فِى الَّيْلِ وَالنَّهَارِ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ - قُلْ أَغَيْرَ اللَّهِ أَتَّخِذُ وَلِيّاً فَاطِرِ السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ وَهُوَ يُطْعِمُ وَلاَ يُطْعَمُ قُلْ إِنِّى أُمِرْتُ أَنْ أَكُونَ أَوَّلَ مَنْ أَسْلَمَ وَلاَ تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكَينَ - قُلْ إِنِّى أَخَافُ إِنْ عَصَيْتُ رَبِّى عَذَابَ يَوْمٍ عَظِيمٍ - مَّن يُصْرَفْ عَنْهُ يَوْمَئِذٍ فَقَدْ رَحِمَهُ وَذَلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْمُبِينُ ﴾
(12. Say: "To whom belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth'' Say: "To Allah.'' He has prescribed mercy for Himself. Indeed He will gather you together on the Day of Resurrection, about which there is no doubt. Those who destroy themselves will not believe.) (13. And to Him belongs whatsoever exists in the night and the day, and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.'') (14. Say: "Shall I take as a guardian any other than Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth And it is He Who feeds but is not fed.'' Say: "Verily, I am commanded to be the first of those who submit. ''And be not you of the idolators.) (15. Say: "I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the torment of a Mighty Day.'') (16. Who is averted from (such a torment) on that Day; then He (Allah) has surely been Merciful to him. And that would be the obvious success.)
At last, you have showed your true color Mr Tired...
Tired said:
"Bangsa Malaysia shouldn't be limited with only one language,one culture,one schooling. Every race should be allowed to preserve their culture,ie. having vernacular schools, and note that we learned BM as well."
My reply: I have not said anything about limiting the language that a malaysian can master. You can master 10 langauges if you want. No problem. Never did I say anything about preventing other races to preserve their culture. In fact please preserve your culture. I am fully supportive of it.
What is the connection of vernacular school and preserving your culture? Mate, I have been living oversee for more than 5 years, I send my children to sekolah kebangsaan mat salleh..Has my children lost their culture???? The answer is no my friend. They still know their Malay language and culture. This is the same with my chinese friend here as well. Did we (me and my chinese friend) insist on having vernacular school here???
But why is it in Malaysia that you guys are so insisting in the vernacular school? Malaysia is special eh?? there are other means to preserve one culture without resorting to a system that further break down our unity.
Let me make it clear, what I mean is that every Malaysian should master the Bahasa Malaysia. And by Bahasa Malaysia I mean B. Melayu. The problem is when you dont master our own Malaysia official language i.e. Bahasa Melayu and moreover being delusional of being Malaysia! How funny is this?. This is where the problem lies.
Tired said:
"Why naming a museum after SYS? I guess you should've done more readings into his struggles and backgrounds, not just political beliefs before more discussions into this."
My reply: Good, forgive my ignorant. Please enlightened us with his contribution so that we could see why his name should be there?
Oh one more thing, political belief especially communism is more than anything to us Muslim.
Maybe you ought to learn more about the sensitivism of your other malaysian
To anonymous:
Could u please see my comment at 4.12PM..and what is ur opinion?
More of Tired excuses: For road signs, I guess why should we argue over it? Don't you think having more languages in it will be much easier for everyone to understand? We've more foreigners coming in every year, as tourists, workers, students."
Dear Tired: Let me tell you a storey in fact two storeys, If you work in Germany, they would listen to your english in the beginning but after a few month they would ignore you as if you are not there if you use other language than theirs. This is a clear example of German patriotism in comparison to the ultrakiasu chinese patriotism.
Here in Australia, there are far more foreign visitors, students and tourist in comparison with Malaysia. Do I see any foreign language in their signboard except Australian. Sadly no! Does this decrease the number of foreign visiting this country? I guess not.
Do you want me to further quote Japan? Korea? France?
Please stop giving excuse. Let us all mendaulatkan bahasa kebangsaan i.e. bahasa melayu and claim ourselves as Malaysian.
ikhwan Bi kau bagus..apa rahsianya?
Ikhwan
Hey mate, I might be over exaggerated, but coming from a Malaysian national school, I should say I enjoy pretty much all my years there, minus that the ability to master well in my own language. Culture in my terms is more towards the literature and exposure on language. Due to the syllabus doesn't give any consideration to POL (people's own language), I'd say it's why many reluctant to send their children to national school. (I'm not gonna discuss on teaching quality. One thing to note, many of our politicians send their children to private schools.)
I believe most who graduated from secondary school can speak BM.(minus some with handicap of course)
Peace be upon you, I'd admit I maybe insensitive on SYS's case since my understanding on Islam isn't in depth (and I won't debate on Islam), and SYS's history is too much to elaborate, but he's a nationalist, not actually communist.
Hi Orang Muor
Seperti yang tertulis diatas.
Aku duduk oversea 5 tahun.
Mana dapat nak cakap bahasa lain asyik kena cakap English 24 jam. Macam mana tak mahir.
Tired,
But we are the ones seeing too many "people with not-broad mind set arguing" and it has sickened the shit out of us, old chap. To the point that I have to come out with the name PEMBANGKANG DAP.
Of course "Don't compare with US" but where have you been when these fellows not only keep comparing us with US, even compare us with a 20x20 sq miles city state, Singapore, where LKY has been ruling with an iron hand, squeezing everybody's balls for saying anything "irregular" - including a British author jailed at the last count that I did.
True, we all are "blessed in to live together in this peaceful country, and lets mutually respect each other". But wd you tell this repeatedly to the likes of Kit Siang and Guan Eng who have been aping and parroting Lee Kuan Yew's so-called "Malaysian Malaysia" which, actually, is subversive to the Malay Special Position. Simply because that Special Position entitles the Malays and the Bumis of Sabah and Sarawak to rights that the non-Malays are not. Asking for equality without acknowledging the Malay Special Position is subversive, seditious at the least - do you know that? The recording of that Special Position (which the British said has always been there "since day one") in the Constitution has been agreed by the forefathers, man. And you people got citizenship.
And now DAP Tony Pua wants to encroach on the Malay housing discount and even Chua Soi Lek and Wee wee want the Malay equity target abolished, prompting some Malays asking for their citizenship right be also abolished. Now, where is the "blessed to live together in this peaceful country" and how to "mutually respect each other" that you speak about, man?
What "not about taking away Malay rights, etc" when they talk like those.
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Good of you to say "we need to help those in more desperate situation". How about helping level the playing field for us? We are desperate, man, because not only we don't have a culture of doing business, we were disregarded by 80 years of colonial rule which pampered the Chinese in business, got only 18% corporate wealth and fellows with thousands of years business experience, even a culture of doing business, want to put us down.
Where got meaning, where got logic, where got decency as fellow citizens? Forget about patriotism for the time being, just be loyal citizens, respect the Constitution, including Article 153 Malay Special Position, which, after all, has been passed by Parliament twice, once at Merdeka, another at the formation of Malaysia.
You are talking about being sickened that "Ahmad who comes from a rich family gets scholarship". Have you ever thought about how sickening it has been for us when you all have the most wealth in the country, occupy most of the professional jobs that exist, have the clan system of helping among yourselves, millionaire philanthropists offering scholarships, yet still ask and do get scholarships? Come on, get real. Be reasonable. Don't be ultra kiasu, want more, more and more, all the time. There's a limit to everything, ya know, man.
Of course "the rich gets richer, the poor gets poorer" - the Chinese get richer and the Malays poorer. You begrudge the Malay right to scholarship etc and not willing to let go the mistakes made. Everybody makes mistakes, man. Even the UTAR people rejecting RM30 million donation from a Chinese millionaire philanthropist. Otherwise we won't know the Chinese have so much money that UTAR even rejects RM30 million donation, yet you people want to take from the fund which can be spent on more needy Malays. So, where is your "no objection to give financial help to Ali" now?
My "reading scope" may not be broad enough to understand the term "down-top approach", but I did ask, didn't I? Not like ultrakiasu fellows who simply rattle on whatever they like when they don't know things. Pathetic lot.
And who says whatever "we, as ordinary citizens .. contribute directly into inputs on how to solve a problems" is always correct? That needs not be "down-top approach". It can be the anarchistic approach, like that adopted by DAP. Ask them, if you don't believe me. Read my comments about their DAP Selangor Election earlier on.
Pembangkang DAP
Is it my fault to appear at this kind of time?Mind you, but I'm not taking sides to anyone. I never said I agree with what DAP says. But one wise phrase "the difficult situation you're in, the better you perform to overcome it". I'm not gonna discuss more on it, but you'll realise it sooner or later. Time has changed fellow citizen.
Pembangkang DAP
On the rejection of 30M donation to UTAR, I guess there's more politics into that situation, too much speculations on it. Well, I don't know why you keep compare my ideas to DAP, as I'm not even a supporter of them. But one question, did the government ask us all whether we agreed to build the 100 storey tower?
It's sad story on the "dasar pecah dan perintah", but it's not our decision. By the way, no matter how many chances you get, you must work hard and value the chances in order to succeed. Post independence policies are done to elevate and help you guys, but sadly after so many years it hasn't reach the target. Good policy, bad implementation. Who benefited? Only god knows perhaps. May He guide and bless you all.
Tired,
Hah, the easy way out. You are like the others, aren't you? Hardly agree with what we say, never admit your mistake, continue begrudging the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumis of Sabah and Sarawak, continue to ask for more, more and more, Najib scurrying around to give cash to Chinese schools, you people exploit him some more.
Like that not good, man. Whatever happens to your statement, "living blissfully together" and so on?
Leaving us with a riddle "the difficult situation you're in, the better you perform to overcome it" makes me want to advise you - don't do that to a woman. Have you read what William Shakespeare wrote, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned", hahaha. And am not telling you whether I'm a man or a woman, haha.
Pembangkang DAP
That's a nice phrase of Shakespeare, haha, but you'd know what I meant in general. I'm not finding an easy way out, but continuing this discussion further is beyond what I'm originally aimed at, to condemn the article by RT. Perhaps in other platforms, be my guest. Most important, don't believe everything you read in media, it's more than that. I should talk no more on it, but I'm not anti-Malay-rights, it's just that I think the implementations that gone wrong. (I might get censored >.< you know the Acts)
Tired 9.46 PM,
You want to belittle us for the slow economic progress the Malays made. Without having a business culture, learning to do business only 40 years ago. The one generation target to achieve 30% was written by us. And not even the Chinese would have known how long it would have taken because no one had tried it before.
I can write yards about the Chinese with some 3,500 years of recorded history, a vast population, yet invaded and ruled by the nomadic Mongols for some 80 years, the Manchus (Manchuria became a part of China only after World War II) for hundreds of years until the 20th Century, bullied by the Japanese and the British (Hong Kong was returned to China only in 1990), made to accept opium as payment of goods purchased by the British, etc.
Things were so bad that the Chinese turned communist. Mao Zedong did the so-called Cultural Revolution, turned the country topsy turvy, China became an international pariah, until only 1-2 decades ago. True, that's PRC, but you were talking about the Malays being "unprogressive" yet the Chinese were even retrogressive.
Do you know that the Manchu rulers even practised affirmative action for the "disadvantaged"? They allocated 25% of the Civil Service posts to the southerners. But in Malaysia the Malays have been the disadvantaged. I can write yards on this as well but suffice for now.
We will tolerate criticisms on the implementation of the affirmative action policy but will not on the concept of the policy.
Don't forget, respect the Constitution and love thy country, warts and all. There's no such thing as utopia, believe me. Even the blessed DAP knows it but chooses to go on the anarchistic path. And on the Sun Yat Sen path - what the hell has he to do with Malaysia, for goodness sake? Can anybody tell me?
Good nite, Mr Tired.
Pembangkang DAP
Mind you, Melaka was an entreport in the region since the reign of Parameswara. Perhaps, it's a very long case of Chinese history to be discussed here, but mind you, that's not my concern here. To say that I belittle the economic progress is an insult to my dignity. No offence, but read between the lines and think. On SYS, a part of it is the inspiration brought to us, google and read more ^^ .
Good night.Peace be upon you.
" got only 18% corporate wealth "
if only 18%, then you should work hard to achieve more. not leeching on other people's hard work.
"Have you ever thought about how sickening it has been for us when you all have the most wealth in the country, occupy most of the professional jobs that exist, have the clan system of helping among yourselves, millionaire philanthropists offering scholarships, yet still ask and do get scholarships? "
nothing comes free and easy. everybody has to work hard and get to where they want to be. you cant and wont be a professional if you are lazy in school, college or university.
this sense of jealousy and asking for handicap do not help the bumiputeras.
face the fact and stop asking for handicap. else you will not progress as money has no value to those people who doesnt earn it the hard way.
everybody is born with only a brain, and equal.
but certain people likes to think that they are born without brain.
and thats lethal. that is telling their own race, hey, you are born without brain, you need help, you need crutches and you need handicap.
and that describe the mentality and mindset of zebra@pembangkang DAP, personifying the character of born loser.
Tired,
good job mate!
anyway, with bigots like zebra and tee chow kow around, no way we will give BN a chance. no way. not even if it is MCA.
hahaha... baru sehari saya tinggalkan blog ini, banyak komen dituju kepada saya..
kepada sesiapa yang ingin mengetahui sedikit tentang bomba sukarela pulau pinang, tengoklah berita ini TERUTAMANYA ORANG-MUOR :
http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=2010&dt=1125&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Utara&pg=wu_02.htm
walau bagaimanapun, dalam laporan tersebut tidak mencatat pecahan kaum yang menyertai pasukan tersebut kerana pembabitan dalam sukarelawan tidak patut dilihat dari segi perkauman. Kalau masih tidak percaya kewujudan bomba sukarela, bolehlah search di google dengan kata kunci "bomba sukarela".
Saya menanti-nantikan balas komen sekalian.
wahai Ikhwan, Dato L C W produk sekolah vernakular? Saya ingin memperbetulkan fakta anda sebab LCW adalah bekas pelajar SMK Berapit. Jadi, anda mempunyai peluang untuk memperbetulkan komen pada waktu 12.46pm.
Mengenai penggunaan Malaysia dalam nama blog saya, tidak perlu saya komen banyak, kalau saya Melayu yang pakai "Malaysia", maka patriotik sangat saya, tapi kalau saya cina yang pakai nama "malaysia", terus dihentam kuat-kuat. Inilah hakikatnya. Kepada seseiapa yang mempersendakan penggunaan nama blog saya, tidak perlu saya pertahankan. patriotik ke tidak, bukan ditunjukkan melalui nama blog, tapi dalam hati. Biarlah orang yang "childish" terus kata.
Apa yang saya hendak bawakan adalah jangan melihat setiap aspek dari segi kaum. Patriotisme, kemiskinan, masalah sosial, semua bukan soal perkauman, sebab ia berlaku pada setiap warga negara. Jikalau anda rasa anda cukup patriotik, bagitau sahaja apa yang anda telah buat sebagai tanda patriotik?
maaf, link di atas tidak berfungsi sebab telalu panjang.. sila rujuk link di bawah:
Bomba Sukarela Setiap DUN
http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=2010&dt=1125&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Utara&pg
=wu_02.htm
asimptote,
"Perhaps if our country in needed of a patriot, these people would happily volunteer to be in the front line to defense our country off course without being in the defense sector as a permanent."
What is the highest form of patrioticism?
I remember something said by a PAS leader in his ceramah: The best Jihad (Holy War) is saying a true word to a tyrant king!
Many join the armed forces as a career securing a living! This has nothing to do with patriotic. In this modern world, we do not war like the barbaric world!
Joining the armed forces makes one patriotic is a fallacy!
Dr. Kuo Kia Song's latest book reveals that there are serious scandal in our armed forces!
Mongolia lady Atatuya case has something to do with these scandals. Why this sexy and beautiful lady was bombed? Who ordered it?
Razak Baginda as adviser to Pak Najib has no power and will not be so stupid to order soldiers or officer to bomb a living person. He is innocent and the judge release him.
then why are the 2 guys so stupid to bomb that pity lady? Who paid them or command them to do such a cruelty? Razak Baginda didnot command them and that is why he is freed. Then we must ask who command that 2 stupid guys to bomb a beautiful lady? Who release the bomb to them?
If we are really patriotic, we must ask the above questions? Do we?
Dr. Tee wrote: "Kita perlu membezakan antara makna patriotisme, nasionalisme dan taat setia, kerana ia saling berkaitan. Tidak ada patriotisme selagi tidak ada taat setia. Taat setia mesti diukur dari segi menghormati dan mematuhi kepada Perlembagaan negara terlebih dahulu."
Askar Malaysia memang sangat taat setia, bukan kepada Perlembagaan Persekutuan saja, tetapi juga kepada ketua mereka sehingga ketua negara.
Perlembagaan Persekutuan mengajar kita amalan demokrasi, pemimpin BN mendidik kita supaya menjadi rakyat yang taat setia!
Askar-askar Melayu kita yang patriotik juga merupakan golongan yang paling taat setia, bukan kepada Yang di Pertua Agong dan pemimpin negara saja, tetapi juga kepada pemimpin BN!
Setiap pilihanraya kecil atau besar, undi pos askar mesti memberikan kemenangan besar kepada calon BN, tak kira calon ini keturunan Melayu, Cina atau India! Ini bukti patrotik dan taat setia yang merentasi batasan kaum! Syabas!
Askar-askar Melayu di PRK Ulu Selangor tidak undi Dato Zaid Ibrahim yang sama agama dan keturunan dengan mereka. Mereka dengan semangat 'patriotik dan taat setia' yang tinggi telah mengundi calon BN keturunan India!
Inilah cara BN mendidik askar-askar kita menjadi patriotik dan taat setia!
Dr. Tee yang menjadi pensyarah kanan di Universiti Pertahanan turut memberikan sumbangan menanamkan semangat patriotisme sebegini?
PENYOKONG DAP,
U r back now. How, your horse won the election or not? They dumped Ronnie Liu. They say LKS and LGE also losing support from the grassroots. They backed Teresa Kok and the woman got trounced. LKS and LGE must have twisted a few arms and got her elected as State Chief. Any comment on the comments I put out on these earlier on?
U r back quoting PAS leaders andKuo Kia Siong ha? The re-writer of Malayan history. I've not read his book. Not interested. I read what people wrote of it. Sure different version of 13 May history and all. Do you know if DAP financed the publication of his book?
I agree with u - "In this modern world, we do not war like the barbaric world!" Like the one DAP, the party you sokong, is trying to create.
Kuo Kia Song's latest book revealing "serious scandal in our armed forces" based on interviews with dissidents ha? Sure he won't publish the official version. He wants sensational info, wants to sell his book, what. Imagine how many DAP members and supporters would be buying his books.
Altantuya case - u have evidence who "ordered" her bombed? Speculation only, ma.
"Razak Baginda .. He is innocent and the judge release him". Sure la, innocent guys get freed.
What makes u think "the 2 guys so stupid to bomb that pity lady? Who paid them .." Get your evidence and then only talk la.
Aiyoyoyo, now we see the logic of PENYOKONG DAP - "If we are really patriotic, we must ask the above questions (who ordered the woman bombed)". Ini maciam punyia logik manyiak susssah lah.
You have no clue about patriotism, don't want to read what is written about patriotism, don’t agree with the normal definition of patriotism, want to concoct your own definition, now u r even politicising the very word patriotism, applying it to your Altantuya arguments. Omputih ciakap manyiak pathetic lor.
PENYOKONG DAP,
Awak kerja kuat, tulis komen pukul 4:18 AM. Tapi jangan kata Melayu tak kerja kuat. Saya bangun pukul 5 pagi, tulis komen, tak boleh masuk, entah ape ke halnya berkali kali tak masuk, pastu "Website not available" pulak kata dia. Jangan kata Melayu cepat give up sebab, lepas minum air, cuba lagi, baru tadi dapat masuk komen saya.
Aiyya, lagi keluaq hujah yang tak logik. Awak cakap, "..kita amalan demokrasi, pemimpin BN mendidik kita supaya menjadi rakyat yang taat setia!" Apa saja yang Kerajaan BN buat salah kpd awak dan gerombolan awak ke? Kalau gitu, saya pun boleh hasut orang Penang jangan ikut apa Kerajaan Penang suruh buat ke?
Awak kata, "Askar-askar Melayu kita yang patriotik juga merupakan golongan yang paling taat setia, bukan kepada Yang di Pertua Agong dan pemimpin negara saja, tetapi juga kepada pemimpin BN!" -
Depa ta'at setia kpd Kerajaan yang memerintah la. Tapi tak taulah jika depa ta'at setia jika DAP memerintah. Mcm mana nak ta'at setia, Pegawai Kerajaan pun nak dibuli LGE diPenang. Nak lawan dalam suart khabar. Kan tak bijak tu - lihat, aku guna perkataan yang amat sopan tu.
Kalau dah askar majoritinya Melayu, hangpa tak mahu masuk askar, ada yang nak tapi nak jadi Pegawai saja, mana tak "undi pos askar mesti memberikan kemenangan besar kepada calon BN". "tak kira calon ini keturunan Melayu, Cina atau India" - ini sebab depa sokong BN, tak suka DAP. Itu pasai aku kata tak tentu depa ta'at setia kpd kerajaan DAP kalau ada.
"Askar-askar Melayu di PRK Ulu Selangor tidak undi Dato Zaid Ibrahim yang sama agama dan keturunan dengan mereka" - sebab depa sokong BN. Betui, "Mereka dengan semangat 'patriotik dan taat setia' yang tinggi telah mengundi calon BN keturunan India!" Jangan nak sindiq depa keturunan India.
Awak kata lagi dengan menyindir, "Inilah cara BN mendidik askar-askar kita menjadi patriotik dan taat setia!" - Askar kita pun awak nak curiga.
Awak bayangkan askar kita tak boleh rasa patriotik dengan sendiri. Awaka tak tahu ke semua tentera bersumpah mempertahankan YDP Agong dan negara? Agong memerintah melalui Kerajaan yang dipilih. BN yang dipilih, BN le yang askar ta'at setia dari segi Kerajaan.
Kalau awak menyindir askar kita, mengecilkan keupayaan askar kita menimbulkan pendirian patriotism dengan sendiri, awak fikir mereka boleh ta'at setia kpd DAP jika DAP menang pun?
Orang yang menggunakan nama malaysia kata, ".. kalau saya Melayu yang pakai "Malaysia", maka patriotik sangat saya, tapi kalau saya cina yang pakai nama "malaysia", terus dihentam kuat-kuat." -
Ini argument along racial line, ni. Tak ada hujah lain ke? Tak boleh pertahankan cara yang tak racial ke? Perhatian: perkataan aku gunakan bukan "racist" tapi "racial". Ada bezanya tu.
Bukan so'al "mempersendakan penggunaan nama blog", kawan ha. So'al nak bayangkan patriotisme dengan pakai nama negara saja ke? Sama mcm yang nak tunjukkan dia patriotik dengan melaungkan Aku Cinta Malaysia 1,000 kali. Tapi Perlembagaan negara tidak dihormati, diikuti dengan sepenuhnya.
Betui, patriotik ke tidak, bukan ditunjukkan melalui nama blog, tapi dalam hati." Cuba habaq lagu mana hhati patriotik, kawan. Pembaca yang "childish" dan yang dewasa mahu dengaq disini.
Setuju, "Patriotisme, kemiskinan, masalah sosial, semua bukan soal perkauman, sebab ia berlaku pada setiap warga negara." Satu cara nak bagi tau patriotik ialah dengan mengulangkan berkali kali lafaz Rukun Negara, mengikrarkan dibila bila masa bahawa sebagai rakyat Malaysia, kita hormatkan dan ikuti Perlembagaan negara sepenuhnya.
Dan, yang lebih penting lagi, jangan mengeluarkan kata kata atau pendapat yang melanggar peruntukan Perlembagaan.
Itu mungkin masih belom "cukup patriotik". Itu sekurang-kurangnya ta'at setia kapada negara ini. Patriotik tu peringkat yang paling tinggi. Sebagai RT kata, sampai keperingkat sanggup mati memertahankan maruah negara dan memperjuangkan kepentingan negara.
Bukan saja sebagai askar. Jugak sebagai orang awam. Contohnya menyekel kepala depa yang kurang ajar dan tidak hormatkan Pelembagaan negara. Sekel cara bidas. Budak kecik kalau disekel kepala nanti nangis pulak.
dear anonymous,
" A true practicing Muslim will not 'sekel' your head "
forgive me pls, may i ask whether this zebra is a true muslim with statement like this:
" menyekel kepala depa yang kurang ajar dan tidak hormatkan Pelembagaan negara "
is this zebra@pembangkang DAP, a true practicing muslim?
Malaysia said:
"wahai Ikhwan, Dato L C W produk sekolah vernakular? Saya ingin memperbetulkan fakta anda sebab LCW adalah bekas pelajar SMK Berapit. Jadi, anda mempunyai peluang untuk memperbetulkan komen pada waktu 12.46pm."
Jangan risau Malaysia, akan saya betulkan;
Kepada semua: Saya ingin membuat pengumuman, Koreksi pada komen saya pada waktu 12.46 pm;
L.C.W menurut Malaysia (seperti diatas) bukan produk sekolah vernakular. Harap semua maklum (Nota: Saya tidak pasti kesahihan fakta ini. Tiada masa dan peluang untuk periksa)
Ulasan ikhwan seterusnya: Kalau sekolah kebangsaan pun BM level nya sebegini maka kalau sekolah vernakular lagi la teruk?.
Emm rasa nya pendedahan Malaysia tersebut hanya menguatkan sebab sebab untuk kita untuk kita terus menyokong "Satu Sekolah Satu Bahasa" untuk semua.
Aku semakin pening dengan para "ular dalam semak" yang jadi pemimpin Pas. Mereka boleh bergambar dengan tersenyum lebar dengan para pemimpin DAP (LGE) dan Anwar Abaraham. Cuba tengok dalam blog Zulkifli Nordin, gambar Hadi Awang senyum sampai ke telinga.
Tapi kalau lah sapa2 ada gambar Hadi Awang atau Nik Aziz bersama Najib atau Mufti Harussani, tolong lah send kat blog DRT ni.
Sejuk hati kami kalau nampak gambar yang semacam tu.
Ini adalah tafsiran kami yang tak berapa celik islam.
" Pas tak akan bekerjasama atau berpakat dengan orang yang tidak islamik atau yang menentang islam. Jadi bila terbentuk pakatan Pas dengan DAP dan PKR, maka secara terang bermakna pada penilaian Pas parti DAP dan PKR tu adalah islamik, dan Pas melalui pakatan itu juga Pas nak bagi tahu orang melayu sekalian bahawa parti Umno itu kafirik (tak islamik) "
Aku setuju sebab khabarnya sejak LGE jadi KM, bilangan mesjid dan surau yang dibina oleh LGE telah mengatasi bilangan mesjid dan surau yang pernah dibina oleh Umno semasa BN pegang Pulau Pinang.
Walahu alamu bissawab. Hanya Nik Aziz, Hadi Awang dan Nasarudin Tantawi saja yang boleh jawab ....
Penyokong DAP in reply to asimptote said:
"What is the highest form of patrioticism?
I remember something said by a PAS leader in his ceramah: The best Jihad (Holy War) is saying a true word to a tyrant king!"
(For your info; that asimptote that you quote is me ikhwan.)
Now let me reply to your reply to my comment:
First of all I don't know and I don't understand what your reply got to do with my comment.
"The best Jihad is saying true to a tyrant king"..... Presumably by "tyrant king" you mean the king UMNO that has menzalimi your race and so and so....correct? you are saying this to show that your are doing the highest kind of patriotism? is this correct?
Bravo! Nevertheless it doesn't make my point redundant even an inch. Yes it is true that when you stand up against a tyrant king, that that is consider an act of deed. However my friend, also according to Islam and you can ask you PAS friend, when you are called to medan perang, it is compulsary for us answer the call. Infact running away from the medan perang is a sin.
Whatever your grudge is against UMNO it is non of my business. Nor than I like to defend them because I myself don't like them. I personally think their top peoples are a bunch of clown and jokers.
But as much as I don't like them, I can tell you for sure I don't like DAP even more.
And Penyokong DAP mumble more:
Many join the armed forces as a career securing a living! This has nothing to do with patriotic.
My answer: Maybe, maybe not. I cannot see into those askar heart so I don't know what their intention is. WOW, You must have some sort telekinetic ability that you could read those people heart and produce such a sweeping statement.
And Penyokong DAP add: "In this modern world, we do not war like the barbaric world!"
My answer: Hello??? What part of this universe are you living? You must be one of those "alien" in this bumi bertuah Malaysia. No wonder you don't know the things that are happening in this planet earth!
Last time I check this "barbaric act" is still happening around this world, Is not Afghanistan, Iraq are and were in WAR with America? What about the Israel and the Palestinian? How about the Bosnia and Serbia? How about those never ending african internal war?What about the recent news between South and North Korea?
I rest my case your honour.
walau bagaimanapun, dalam laporan tersebut tidak mencatat pecahan kaum yang menyertai pasukan tersebut kerana pembabitan dalam sukarelawan tidak patut dilihat dari segi perkauman.(malaysia)
Laporan tersebut tidak mencatat pecahan kaum yg menyertai pasukan terbabit kerana sudah diketahui umum Melayu mmg memonopoli bidang sukarelawan.Kenapa tidak patut dilihat dr segi kaum?.Kerana malu org Cina ramai dr Melayu di P.Pinang ttp malangnya sukarelawan Melayu lg ramai dr Cina? Sila tunjukan bukti sebagaimna hujah awak di 6.34PM : Jangan kata cina tidak menyertai pasukan pertahanan dan penyelamat(ramai yg menyertai)).Menyertai mmmg menyertai ttp ciput(sedikit).
Betul tu Orang Muor;
When they talk, they talk for every single benefit of their races but when they are defending....hey kawan let us not look in racial point of view! (shaking my head again)
Another bunch of racist trash.
Aku nak tulis reply pun malas rasanya...
Malaysia;
Just to brush you up with some more facts:
Sila lihat Utusan Malaysia, 10 May 2003: berkenaan pasukan BOMBA sukarela
"Berikut adalah petikannya:
Hari ini sambutan Hari Anggota Bomba 2003 peringkat kebangsaan diadakan di Dataran Kemerdekaan, Shah Alam, Selangor.
Menyingkap kembali sewaktu mula-mula ia ditubuhkan pada tahun 1883 oleh H.F. Bellamy dengan hanya 15 anggota sukarela, kini pasukan ini bercambah menjadi 9,775 anggota beruniform dengan pelbagai kemahiran untuk menghadapi segala kemalangan.
Tetapi agak malang keanggotaan jabatan ini majoritynya hanya kaum Melayu berbanding kaum-kaum lain di Malaysia. Mengikut statistik yang dikeluarkan oleh JBPM seramai 9,042 anggota adalah Melayu, India (203), Cina (91) dan lain-lain bangsa (439). Adalah menghairankan hanya 0.8 peratus kaum Cina dan India (dua peratus) menyertai jabatan ini.
Jika dilihat kepada penubuhan pasukan bomba sukarela kebanyakannya ditubuh di kawasan yang mempunyai ramai penduduk kaum Cina."
Ulasan: I let the statement above speak for itself.
orang_muor,
your statement "Kenapa tidak patut dilihat dr segi kaum?.Kerana malu org Cina ramai dr Melayu di P.Pinang ttp malangnya sukarelawan Melayu lg ramai dr Cina? "
my advice to you is to go and get your facts right before making such comments. we know the ratio. only you dont know because your are ignorant.
nanti malu sendiri for being so arrogant like zebra, eating his own words now.
tokgaru,
Kalau abg Zulkifle Noordin ckp PAKATAN SYAITAN.Aq ckp PAKATAN YAHUDI.
song,
Aq x kesah la malu.U try la make me ashamed. come on mari!
Song said:
"my advice to you (Orang Muor) is to go and get your facts right before making such comments. we know the ratio. only you dont know because your are ignorant."
My comment: Yes Song, I beg you to show us that we are ignorant. Please enlightened us with this so called ratio and facts.
Please...
Wahai pembaca sekelian,
Harap jangan marah saya cakap disini cara berbual. Nakkan depa yang saya tuju tu lebih senang faham.
Orang kata, "A picture is worth a thousand words." Tapi "Words said in a certain style may sekel seribu kepala".
Tak tau Mr Tired sudah recover ke sekarang. Nak habaq sikit. Pasai Sun Yat Sen. Dia kata guna nama tu pasai inspirasi. Tak habaq mcm mana inspirasi, mcm mana kena mengena dengan rakyat Malaysia.
Sun Yat Sen pemimpin negara China dulu. Nak megahkan pemimpin negara China ke? Cina banyak suka Tengku A Rahman, awat tak guna nama dia? Nak jdikan Penang satu propinsi China ke? Mana masuk akai?
Biasanya, orang yang tak ragu sama ada betul atau tidak apa yang dikata akan dengan bangganya memberi penerangan, tidak suruh pembaca google pulak. Siapa yang mahu defend tak semenggahnya pendirian "Sun Yat Sen first", dialah yang beri penerangan dan hujah hujah dalam komennya.
Lihat mcm mana ikhwan buat dikomennya 11.47 AM. Dia beri rujukan Utusan Malaysia. Tapi dia tulih jugak butir-butir yang berkenaan. Maksud dia, sapa nak butir lebih lanjut, barulah boleh pi keUtusan Malaysia. Mcm tu baru berkesan komen. Mcm tu baru bermakna berdailog. Taklah nak ngata sana ngata sini.
Aku? Aku PEMBANGKANG DAP. Depa boleh kata apa saja, aku pun nak ikut cara depa la sikit. Kadang kadang hanya nak kasi tau depa tak boleh cakap apa depa suka saja. Yang pikiran tak siuman tu saya tak peduli langsung. Buang masa saja. Buang ayak lioq saja, kata orang.
Kadang kadang kita sebut penulis Inggeris abad 16 William Shakespeare. Nanti kena pada tempatnya, nak sebut juga Usman Awang, Khairil Anwar, Samad Said dan lain pujangga kita.
Additional response to Tired:
Tired said: "Hey mate, I might be over exaggerated, but coming from a Malaysian national school, I should say I enjoy pretty much all my years there,"
Comment: Good that you enjoy it! Now let give the same enjoyment to our childred.
Tired said:".... minus that the ability to master well in my own language. Culture in my terms is more towards the literature and exposure on language. Due to the syllabus doesn't give any consideration to POL (people's own language),"
My reply: I understand you concern. There are several means that we could work out to achieve this for example adding chinese language and culture syllabus to the sekolah kebangsaan. Let us first work out towards satu sekolah and we can then proposed to modify them so that we could accommodate all the other language and cultural need in Malaysia.
Simply rejecting the SSS and insisting on the highly segregated Sekolah Vernakular wont achieve anything for our nation unity.
Ikhwan
Actually,we've to differentiate the context of vernacular schools: ie primary schools or secondary schools. Honestly,most languages are much more easier to learn during younger days as it needs longer exposure and communications with peers to improve. Vernacular primary schools provide them with more years to master their own language. Most of the SJK graduates continues into SMK schools, which is the national type, unless some that choose the private schools. SMJK is actually a name of it's legacy, where it was set up as vernacular secondary schools, but take note that after they converted to government-aided schools,it's not much different as compared to any SMK schools. It's to say that they ignore the importance of the national language is off the mark here. I noticed there are changes on the POL in national primary schools, where more classes on POL are conducted, but sadly after years of mistrust on the system, it's hard to convince the parents to send their children back to the national type school unlike the post-independence period. We'll see how it goes.
x payah cakap banyak wahai bangsa pengganas komunis......
jom kita jadikan semula 13 mei...
dendam orang Melayu terhadap PENGGANAS CINA KOMUNIS masih bara...
jasad KIAI SALLEH dan SARJAN HASSAN terkubur rapi tapi rohnya masih ada dalam MELAYU jati....
kami ORANG MELAYU langsung tidak percaya akan taat setia bangsa komunis dan kaki botol terhadap MALAYSIA...
Pembangkang DAP
Kalau nak cakap BM I OK je. Sudahlah kau nak caci I,I tak kisah pun. Tapi, pasal kenapa I suruh google, sebab banyak sangat benda nak masuk dalam sini. Dalam abad ke-21 ni, google tu perkara biasa je, tak kan kalau nak tahu tu suruh google sikit pun malas?Banyak sumber boleh dapat, wikipedia dll. Kalau pemahaman tak banyak, janganlah merungut banyak. Inilah orang-orang yang ignorant, pernah baca tentang tokoh-tokoh nasionalisme? Siapa nak P.Pinang jadi "province" China? Banyak pun nama T.A.Rahman digunakan, cth: UTAR,KTAR..kalau macam cakap kau, kenapa tak jadi USYS/KSYS? Ishh..tak usah membesar-besarkan perkara ni. Siapa buang masa ni?Baik pergi kerja.
Tired said:
"Actually,we've to differentiate the context of vernacular schools: ie primary schools or secondary schools. Honestly,most languages are much more easier to learn during younger days as it needs longer exposure and communications with peers to improve."
My response: Nope; No need of differentiation. This one school for all must start from the very beginning to the end i.e. both primary and secondary school.
With respect to the myth of language has to be learn from a younger age; I agree but the solution is not with the vernacular school.
As I said previously, here in Australia there is a lot of other races and guess what, there is no such thing as vernacular school either primary or secondary.
Interesting observation from this is that those from foreign origins such as the chinese, arabs, vietnamese were still able to converse well in both the Australian language and their own origin language even after 3 generations of living here. And went I said well, i mean really well i.e. speaking english like and english people and speaking arabs like an arabs. Not like some of the chinese here in Malaysia, after 5/6 generations some of them are still speaking a weird form of B.Malaysia. This is such a sad state. How can they (those australian foreigners) do this without having vernacular school?
This is something that we should learn from them.
So Tired; be positive
Tired
Much easier said than done. I'd believe the context of Australian education system is very much different compared here in terms that it's established long before the mass influx of foreigners. More observations and experimentations should be done to fully understand the outcomes. To do things that you "think" is correct doesn't make sense without throughout study. We cannot implement first and judge later. How can this convince others that it'll work? The government established Sekolalah Wawasan, lets see how it goes.
Ikhwan,
Obviously I must be sleepy to type back my name. I apologize for the mistake.
Tired;
This is true for most thing in this world. It is always easier to said than done
For example; Saya mau jadi kaya!
This mate, only took me couple of second to write but would take years to achieve.
Does this mean I should just brush up the ideas?
Common Tired, Let us start something and work on it. If we have to do experiments first then let us start doing it.
The problem is Tired with some people, especially the ultra chauvinist type is that we haven't even got to the point of doing experiment such that every single objection would be thrown to us.
Macam mana mau kaya kalau langkah pertama pun belum bermula?
Tired;
You better sleep then, we can continue our discussion later.
Before you go to sleep, I just want to add some comment to your other remark:
"We cannot implement first and judge later. How can this convince others that it'll work?"
My response: This is like the question of which one come fisrt? The ayam or the telur? no point arguing.
Let me twist the question a little bit:
How can we judge (presumably judging come first) and implement later? How can we make judgement to something that has not been implement?
How can I convince somebody on something that hasn't even been implemented?
The proof is around you. Broad your view to outside of Malaysia. There are no vernacular school elsewhere!
Tired,
"sebab banyak sangat benda" tu lah yang aku nak awak sebutkan yang mana satu awak kata inspirasi. Takkan nak suruh pembaca teka yang mana satu aspek hang maksudkan dan keluarqakan hujah membangkang semuanya.
Hang tak faham - bukan "nak tahu tu suruh google sikit pun malas". Hang yang mahu pertahankan "Sun Yat Sen first", hanglah yang beri hujah. Takkan nak suruh orang pula teka awak punya hujah. Ini masalah besar aku bila bercakap dengan orang mcm hang. Hang yang menohmah, hang suruh orang cari alasannya. Hang nak pertahankan "Sun Yat Sen first", hang suruh orang cari alasan. Mana boleh.
Itu cara pengganas kominis Chin Peng. Dia yang nak mohon jadi rakyat, dia taknak pegi interbiu. Dia masuk borang mohon saja, dia nakkan Pegawai Pendaftaran melutut kpd dia, bawakan setifiket, tak payah interbiu. Mana boleh. Cara kominis pengganas.
Aiyyya, jangan sebut Wikipedia lah, Mister. Awak tak tahu ke Wikipedia tu budak kecil pun boleh tulis. Situ banyak yang nak tukar sejarah, nak tulih sejarah baru pun ada tulih. Ada yang kata Perang Larut pun Melayu yang mulakannya. Melampau. Kongsi gelap, penjahat dan gengster Ghee Hin dan Hai San yang bunuh membunuh sesama sendiri menawan lombong bijih lawan, membawa kpd perang, depa kata Melayu yang mulakan. Pada hai Melayu Ngah Ibrahim yang bawa masuk Cina keLarut tu. Mcm ni lah yang bikin Melayu marah kat hampa. Mengarut.
Jangan cakap pasai Wikipedia lah. Ada yang bahaya maklumatnya.
Kamu mengarut lagi, mengata, "Kalau pemahaman tak banyak, janganlah merungut banyak". Kata orang ignorant pulak. Ini sudah cakap mcm budak budak.
Aku ingat nak dialog dengan kau. Rupanya pikiran kau macam budak juga. Baguslah kau pergi kerja.
Baca banyak buku, jangan Wikipedia. Tau ke engkau dalam Google pun ada buku, ada yang kena bayar baca ada yang free. Pilihlah. Asalkan baca buku, dapatkan maklumat yang boleh dipercayai. Depa yang tulih buku biasanya buat kajian bertahun tahun. Tak taulah yang Kua Ka Siong tu ke hape namanya.
Lepas kau dah baca banyak banyak, kau boleh dailog lagi. Kalau tak buang ayak lioq aku saja.
Kalau tired, pi tidoq. Bila tak cukup tidoq tu yang mengarut. Kalau tired pikiran tak senang, pi jumpa doktor. Tu nasihat aku yang ikhlas.
Pembangkang DAP
Ini taktik taktik biasa mereka. Baling batu pastu sorok tangan. kita yang teraba raba mencari apa sebenarnya yang mereka ini maksudkan?
Mereka bentang hujah tanpa fakta; kita yang nak kena betulkan pula kena cari fakta??
Mereka ini benda benda fantasi pun boleh ditwist kemudian bertukar menjadi fakta.
I cannot agree with you more!
Teruskan perjuangan anda!
Ikhwan,
Hey mate, before I get to sleep, just a reply: We need brave and visionary leaders for that to happen. But to compare with eggs and chickens, hmm, isn't it a bit far-fetched? To be rich, think and study how the successful people get rich. I'm not saying that we totally abandon the idea, but bluntly saying getting rich without understanding the essence of commerce and economics will get us to no where.
True, but I'm not limiting myself to Malaysian view itself. But take note of the complexity of our socioeconomics to compare with the said countries. It's not only limited by terms of education, but much more, like thousands of entangled wires. I believe I'm positive enough to continue my struggle in my homeland rather than anywhere else. I believe there'll be change, but not in near future. It should start somewhere smaller, but note that educations mean a lot to the Chinese.
Pembangkang DAP
Yang I quote wikipedia tu pasal I takut you tak tahu cari (source paling mudah dan senang edit tu memang betul, tapi kau boleh baca source lain tentang SYS). Yak payah suruh I baca buku, lagi banyak yang I baca dari kau rasanya. Fahami beza nationalisme dan komunisme. Kalau nak cakap tentang Chin Peng tu tak mainlah, perkara lain dah(out of my point since I never quoted him), tapi kalau on SYS, tanyalah Prof Kua kalau asyik cakap pasal dia. Kalau I budak,tak payah lah I berdebat banyak kat sini. Workload banyak hingga letih tu biasa la, tapi I usaha jugak. Takkan nak tunggu duit jatuh dari langit? Perkataan dipercayai itu sangat abstrak. Who knows the truth other than God and the self? mana u tahu masa penulis tu tulis dia tak memihak mana-mana?
Tired said:
"But to compare with eggs and chickens, hmm, isn't it a bit far-fetched? "
My reply: I agree to disagree. The question of chicken and egg is exactly the similar type of question that you put forward.
More from Tired: "To be rich, think and study how the successful people get rich.but bluntly saying getting rich without understanding the essence of commerce and economics will get us to no where."
My reply: I couldn't agree more with you on this. Then what are waiting for? let us do those study, experiment etc. Let us start the first step towards achieving this One School for all.
Tired said:
"But take note of the complexity of our socioeconomics to compare with the said countries. It's not only limited by terms of education, but much more, like thousands of entangled wires."
My reply: I start to smell another hint of excuse.
Ours are complex eh? Then perhaps you should look at our neighbor Indonesia with the hundreds of races, perhaps China itself consist of more races complexity than others. Hey we don't even have to go far, let us look at the western Malaysia with all the different tribes?
Do each of these tribe/races insist for their own school?
Do their country achieve unity by having a vernacular school system?
I guess not.
Tired,
Hang ni memang susah nak berdailog. Aku terangkan panjang lebaq pun hang tak faham jugak lagi.
Hang masih suruh orang pi cari alasan atau keterangan yang hang patut beri. Memang sepatutnya hang yang beri. Sebab hang yang pertahankan pendirian DAP "Sun Yat Sen first".
Pulak hang suruh aku tanya Prof Kua. Sapa dia professor tu pun aku tak tau.
Hang patut pi tidoq la, Mr Tired. Lepas tu tengok boleh paham ke apa yang aku cakap dah 2-3 kali. Kalau dah paham, boleh cuba dailog lagi.
ikhwan,
Terima kasih atas sokongan dan galakan anda.
Ni memang nak kasi tau depa jangan asyik cakap ikut suka saja. Terutama penganut dan penyokong DAP.
Ni nak cuba: 1 kali PENYOKONG DAP keluaq, PEMBANGKANAG DAP nak keluaq 2-3 kali. Kalau tak, depa berleluasa. Asyik popaganda depa saja.
Besok sibuk 2-3 hari. Kalau tak sempat, akan keluaq bila dah lapang.
Ikhwan said:
I agree to disagree. The question of chicken and egg is exactly the similar type of question that you put forward.
My reply: If you keep comparing my questions with that, I believe you're just shutting yourself to discussions.
Ikhwan said:
I couldn't agree more with you on this. Then what are waiting for? let us do those study, experiment etc. Let us start the first step towards achieving this One School for all.
My reply: As I said,it's beyond what you think. Keeping on holding to your view just puts the discussion off unless you see from other point of views.
Ikhwan said:
Ours are complex eh? Then perhaps you should look at our neighbor Indonesia with the hundreds of races, perhaps China itself consist of more races complexity than others. Hey we don't even have to go far, let us look at the western Malaysia with all the different tribes?
My reply: May I correct you that you mean eastern? If you've been there I'd believe you'd realise the difference between there and here, the sentiment. Vernacular schools for Chinese uses Mandarin, like what China does in unifying them. But to argue that why don't each tribe should have their own school then, I'd say it's far-fetched to say we'll have Hokkien, Cantonese, Hakka,etc streams then. If you understand sosioeconomics, it's beyond just education as what I've keep on mentioning. I did not disagree on having your said One School, but Rome isn't build in one day mate. Start from a small leap. Do we see much activities between national and vernacular schools? Why don't start there?
Pembangkang DAP,
Yang kau cakap pasal Kua Kia Soong tulah orangnya. I tak cakap I sokong DAP, tapi I respect SYS. I tak kisah DAP buat apa pun, tapi yang I sanjungi adalah perjuangan SYS menyatukan China seperti I sanjungi TAR membawa kemerdekaan kepada kita. Oleh tu, pasal kau asyik kata dia tu komunislah yang I tak setuju dan suruh kau baca banyak sikit pasal dia.
Tired doesn't mean I'm irrational, but I'm just trying to get some sense to you here. The way you write on your dialog doesn't show u get my point as well my friend, get yourself some rest as well.
Di sekolah kebangsaan diharamkan menggunakan bahasa cina atau india ke?tiada subjek bahasa cina?jd knp yg susah sngt nk terima SSS? Takot hilang identiti Cina kah?
Kes ini berlaku di sesetengah kawasan di Muar.Muar merupakan bandar yg x bandar dan x kampung,tengah2.Ini cerita aq,cerita betul.Sekolah aq bkn jenis sk samseng.Kanak2 sk vernakular apabila memasuki SMK mereka mmg berasa kekok.Hubungan kami hanya baik ketika berada di Form 1,2 sahaja kerana mahu mengetahui bagaimana rasanya berkawan dgn kaum lain.Penguasaan Bm mereka mmg lemah,ada yg baik ttp majoritinya lemah.Semasa di Form 4,5 kami kembali dgn kaum masing2,jarang bercampur.Mgkn sbb Melayu dgn perangainya,Cina dgn perangainya.Perangai apa yg aq sebutkan tu?Fikir sendiri.Itu sensitif sedikit.Hal ini terjadi di SMK tau.Cuba bayangkan jika di SMJK.
Itu belum lg di pusat2 tuition.Mg ketara Cina dgn Cina,Melayu dgn Melayu,India je yg bagus..:)
Ttp mengikut pandangan kawan aq yg berada di KL, hubungan mereka baik2sahaja.Itu di bandar besar, jika di kawasan seperti di Muar ni?Di kawasan lain x taulah aq.
Mgkn sbb itulah terjadinya si manusia racist bernama Namewee.
Tired said: If you keep comparing my questions with that, I believe you're just shutting yourself to discussions.
My reply: I believe the same goes to you
More of Tired shutting down discussion style:
"As I said,it's beyond what you think. Keeping on holding to your view just puts the discussion off "
My reply: WOW this issue must be some sort of Rocket science which I couldn't even comprehend.
Tired added:"unless you see from other point of views."
Well You certainly have made known your own point of view. Bring on this other point of views as well. I won't run...I am listening.
Tired said: "May I correct you that you mean eastern? If you've been there I'd believe you'd realise the difference between there and here, the sentiment."
My answer: certainly, Folk another correction to my previous post as above. Not western but eastern Malaysia.
Guess what Tired, I have been there and in fact I have a lot of Sabahan and Sarawakian best friends. The key word here is "sentiment" as per your own word. They don't have the ultrakiasu sentiment that has been rotten inside the core of some of the chinese here in Semenanjung!
And here finally Tired reveals their rotten ideology:
"Vernacular schools for Chinese uses Mandarin, like what China does in unifying them"
My fellow Malaysian; As you can read from this Tired posting above. Similar and similar theme being recurring in this "Alien" mind i.e. CHINA! You see, the reason for sekolah vernakular is to use Mandarin just like China did!
Why are you people still being overshadowed by your own past? We are Malaysian now not China! Why follow China and why want to unify using Mandarin.
Why cannot use B.Malaysia as your unifying medium?
You see as admitted in his own posting some of them, their mother tongue are not even Mandarin but yet so insistent in using Mandarin.
Why are they willing to used Mandarin which to some of them are actually a foreign laguage but when we proposed B.Malaysia, this people will terlompat, terkinja shouting for inequality?
The answer is simple; It is is because B.Malaysia is bahasa melayu and deep down in their rotten heart, they resent anything that is melayu.
And unity to what? unity among chinese? why not unity among malaysian?
I am just lost of word to describe you people!
Tired stated:
"If you understand sosioeconomics, it's beyond just education as what I've keep on mentioning."
Aik??!!!, Suddenly I am the one who doesn't understand socioeconomics?
Mate, of course it is beyond education. Education only forms part of it. I am only limiting my scope on education here so that i don't have to write a book in this short comment section to discuss about socio economic as a whole.
More of Tired: "I did not disagree on having your said One School, but Rome isn't build in one day mate. Start from a small leap.
My answer:
Well I agree, The unity of malaysian cant be build in one day as well. So why not start with this SSS as our first step of the small leap. Agree?
Tired proposed: Do we see much activities between national and vernacular schools? Why don't start there?
No problem. i think it is a good start.
Tired,
Now u r gettin' somewhere, man. First time u said "yang I sanjungi adalah perjuangan SYS menyatukan China". Now baru kita tahu apa yang kau banggakan Sun Yat Sen. Mcm mana pun, dia pemimpin China, bukan Malaysia. Tak ada kena mengena dengan Malaysia.
Now, I didn't say dia komunis. Aku dah scroll semula, dua kali, baca semua komen aku. Tidak sekali pun aku kata dia kominis.
Aku buang banyak masa buat gitu. Aku pikiaq dulu, kemudian aku check apa aku tulis. Tak mcm korang. Apa jenis maanusia korang ni. Main lepas saja, apa suka cakap, korang cakap. Melayu marah, korang nak bising.
Aku pun dah marah ni. Kau fitnahkan aku. Dalam Islam fitnah dosa besar tu. Kau kata aku kata apa yang sebenarnya aku tak kata. Apasal kau ni? Kau nak cari pasal ke? Aku suruh kau tidoq, pastu baru cakap, kau tak mahu. Fitnah aku pulak. Kalau aku maki kau, kau marah. Apa ni?
Aku kata dia pemimpin China. I even qualified it by saying dia "pemimpin China dahulu". Kau anggap sebab China dah jadi kominis People's Republic of China, orang kata SYS kominis. Kau bodoh ke? Kau kata kau lebih baca dari aku. Apa kau baca? Kalau banyak baca takkan very poor comprehension, very poor perception and understanding of what people say.
Aku tak sekali pun kata SYS kominis. Tapi kau cakap aku "asyik kata dia tu komunis." Nampaknya kau dah irrational. Kau kata "Tired doesn't mean I'm irrational", tapi nyata kau dah mula irrational. Kau kata pulak, "I'm just trying to get some sense to you here". Mcm kau pandai. Sebenarnya kau bodoh.
Pi tidoq lah, Mister Tired. Kalau tak nanti banyak lagi aku marah. Mungkin kau delusional. Nampak benda yang tak ada. Baca benda yang orang tak tulis. Kalau selalu gitu, kau perlu pegi jumpa doktor. Lagi satu nasihat aku yang ikhlas.
Sebenarnya semangat cintakan tanah air & agama dah kurang sangat, kita yang sedar pun alpa bila negara merdeka tak pulak kita pasang bendera, Saya pergi ke singapura kebetulan time merdeka dia, xde satu pun rumah or apartment kediaman yang takde bendera..apatah lagi di banguna kerajaan. Kita kurang bangga dengan negara kita sendiri.
zulkhairi,
kalo hang nk bangga sngt hang pi la pasak bendera kita di Singapore sana.
kepada ikhwan dan lain2 syabas krn tidak putus asa dgn gol ultrakiasu ni.
Utk lebih berkesan saya cadangkan anda paste komen anda ke Malaysian Insider kerana itu adalah forum mereka. Biar suara kita didengari.
Depa ni hanya mementingkan kepentingan kaum mereka sahaja.
utk pengetahuan anda, artikel Dr. Tee ini tersiar di malaysian Insider. Search 'patriotisme' anda akan jumpa artikel tersebut.
Salam Hazil
Terima kasih dengan saranan anda.
Di MI, rasanya anda sudah pun melakukan kerja kerja yang terbaik untuk menegakkan yang benar. Teruskan lah usaha anda.
Cuma saya agak sensitif bila melihat blog ini turut dicemari dengan dakyah dakyah puak ultrakiasu ini. Sudahlah mereka ini bermaharaja lela di MT dan MI, sekarang hendak membuat onar di blog Dr RT pula.
Nanti ada masa saya jenguk di MI pula.
Hazil dan ikhwan,
Ada beberapa orang dah komplen komen depa tak disiarkan Malaysian Insider. Saya sendiri dah coba, gitu juga.
Depa yang paling demokratik punya maanusia. Yang akhir saya baca boss depa disana seorang bekas pekerja Reuters News Agency British. Reuters sudah terbina sebelom Perang Dunia Kedua, memungut maalumat risikan atau "intelligence" yang berbentuk "overt and covert information".
Ada kemungkinan Reuters berfungsi sebagai badan yang memberi tempat kpd Pegawai Pegawai Perisik (Intelligence Officers) British yang menyamar sebagai wartawan. Fungsi operasi perisik (intelligence operation) termasuk menyebar popaganda. Mungkin itu sebab bekas wartawan Reuters diambil mengetuai Malaysian Insider.
"Admin staff" mereka, yang berkuasa memilih mana komen disiarkan, banyak yang Cina. Itu sebab komen Melayu atau yang menonjolkan kepentingan Melayu tak disiar depa. Amat berat sebelah pendirian Malaysian Insider. Sangat pro-pembangkang.
Namun demikian ada juga yang disiar depa dari masa kemasa. Siapa yang ada masa boleh cuba masukkan komen disana. Sekali sekala depa kena tunjuk depa demokratik kot. Kena main wayang sikit.
Haha saya kerja kuat lagi pagi ni. Mcm PENYOKONG DAP yang semalam menaip komen pukui 4.30 AM. Depa selalu kata Melayu malas. Depa pulak selalu mabuk samsu. Mcm DAP MP yang mabuk berkelakuan tak betui dikonvension DAP 2 hari lalu. Dihalau keluaq dan sekarang kena "show cause letter" nak kena buang parti ke hape ke.
PENYOKONG DAP keluaq tak lama lagi kot. Setakat ini dia tak respon komen komen saya. Dia hangat saya patahkan hujah hujah dia kot. Mungkin dia keluaq masa saya sibuk 2-3 hari nanti. Takpa lah, saya akan komen dia bila saya dah lapang.
Istilah Patriotisme. Tertarik dengan petikan dari Dr."Sedangkan ia hanyalah satu istilah yang didefinisikan oleh barat secara sekular tanpa mengaitkannya dengan agama. Justeru, menjadi kewajipan kepada kita untuk mengIslamkannya, bukan mengkafirkannya hanya kerana ia datang daripada barat? Inilah sebenarnya punca kepada perpecahan umat Islam".
Jelas disini bahawa apa jua istilah yang datang dari barat bukanlah perlu ditolak mentah-mentah kerana ia dari barat. sebaliknya istilah itu mboleh diguna dalam kontek Islam yang lebih Syumul.
Tahniah Dr kerana penjelasan dan penerangan yang cukup bernas.
ikhwan,
he wants to talk about this topic, about volunteers, about the ratio, you ask from him. why ask from me? i have the figures, but you want it, go and get yourself.
as in any case, when you want make any statement, you have to make sure what you are saying is substantiated with facts and figures, not just pure ' tembak ' and bullshit.
Tidak cukup dengan menghina dan memperlekeh institusi yang memperkayakan mereka, kini mereka menambah penghinaan itu dengan mahu melantik jantan paling cauvinis dan rasis untuk menjadi Timbalan Perdana Menteri jika mereka memerintah negara ini! Pengumuman Anwar bahawa Lim Kit Siang akan menjadi Timbalan Perdana Menteri adalah satu penghinaan besar kepada YB Tuan Guru Haji Hadi, Presiden PAS. Nama Tuan Guru langsung tidak pernah disebut sebagai pemimpin yang berkelayakan. (petikan dari blog Zulkifli Nordin)
Ini ana punya komen lah ....
" kesian dekat Pas, nampak macam melukut ditepi gantang saja duduk dalam PKR, pipi tak mancung serban tersorong2. ana dah agak dah, PKR tak yakin dengan Pas dan DAP pun tak yakin juga. Yang PKR dan DAP boleh yakin dengan Pas adalah kemampuan Pas untuk menarik undi melayu supaya menyokong PR. Yang PKR dan DAP yakin dengan Pas adalah kesediaan Pas untuk di pergunakan. Yang PKR dan DAP yakin dengan Pas adalah tanpa bantuan Pas impian mereka berdua tak akan kesampaian "
Komen ana lagi ...
" kesian ngan Nik Aziz. kesian ngan Hadi Awang. dan kesian juga ngan Nasarudin Tantawi "
Apa pula komen ente2 semua ... ?
Sorry lah, ana nak tambah sikit lagi lah (sebab ana baru teringat)
Macam ni lah ....
" kalau PR menang PRU 13 ni, mula2 Anwar jadi PM lah dan Lim Kit Siang jadi TPM lah. Dan selepas itu sapa pula lah akan ganti tempat Anwar lah ? "
Ente2 yang bijak lagi sana (bijaksana) mungkin boleh habaq mai dekat cek kut.
Song,
Since you have the figure, why dont you share it with us?
I don't really read that much (Don't know about the rest) and I have tried searching for the figures but couldnt really find one specific for P.Pinang.
Furthermore Tired even appears to imply that I don't and can't understand " Socio-economics" the subject that appears to be so advanced that I guess could only be understand by the bangsa "Alien" in Malaysia with their super advance knowledge and civilization.
You can lay out the figure Song.
All that I want is to see the fact and uncover the truth wherever side it may be and it may come.
And let us discuss about it.
Regards
somebody by the name of 'Hazil' throwing tantrum and sulking in MI just because his comments were NOT publishe
hahaha, typifying a useless brat / spoilt brat. useless.
Song angry remark:
"FOR THOSE WHO ARE WORKING FOR A CHINESE PAYMASTER, QUIT YOUR JOB NOW.
SHOW YOUR DIGNITY, SHOW THAT YOU CAN.
OTHERWISE JUST SHUT UP, USELESS PEOPLE."
my reply:
Yeah, good call SONG.
May I add more:
And to those Malay that been giving this people business projects, land, universities quota, SRJKC and so on and including the "Ali Baba" show us your dignities as well! Stop dishing this "alien" people with the goodies.
And to all the Malays who form the majority of the consumers, stop buying products from this people. Have some dignity!
Ikhwan,
i suggest that you ask from orang_muor regarding the issue of volunteers in penang. because he said if the figures are disclosed, chinese / ultra kiasu will feel malu.
so, let him enlighten us first and make the chinese in penang feel malu.
however, if he cant, then i think he should shut up from now on.
as mentioned earlier, god has eyes. you cant simply memfitnah somebody. the karma will fall on your children.
" ali baba " issue, yeah, take ikhwan's challenge regarding this. show people you are credible businessman. not absconding with the payments from government to finance the luxury house and cars and multiple wife and offspring.
show to the world the you all dont ask and take kickbacks.
Hi Song
Just for your information,
A true muslim don't believe in KARMA but we believe the one only God with fair punishment.
Any wrongdoings that we do, ultimately will result in punishment to ourselves either here in Dunia or the here after! Our God is fair and the punishment will not go to our children, nor does the punishment goes to our nenek moyong, nor does it go to our tujuh keturunan!
Every soul will be responsible for their own action!
So you see Song, a true muslim will not "memaki" nenek moyong, children or keturunan of the accused person that they are not happy with.
If we think that a person has commit a false thing, than that person alone will be held responsible.
Please be informed.
Hazil, read this, by sh mdaris( MI ),
" eii hazil...jangan nak mengarut tau,Nak bercakap biar research dulu.aku ni melayu macam engkau juga.apa ada pada melayu kalau mengarut macam engkau tu.ni nak bagi hint...aku ni orang jati Pahang tapi seinci tanahpun aku takda.yang herannya Vincent Tan,Lim Goh Tong ada...pulau kat Pahang tu pun dia ada tanah dan selama ini Pahang,BN yang perintah.la ni aku dengar Pahang ni semacam muflis.to name a few...adnan yaakob,khalil yaakob and najib himself,dia orang ni semua berharta dan majoriti orang melayu jati Pahang linkup.cuba engkau explain kat aku ketuanan melayu dia orang ni dalam konteks Pahang?anyway Allah ajar supaya kita jangan taksub pada Arab maupun Ajam....so dapat point ni.kalaupun melayu tu mundur...ni nak bagi faham,pasal yang nak sangat ketuanan melayu tu...macam engkau sebagai pengampunya dan those corrupt pemimpin-pemimpin melayu dalam umno. "
Ikhwan,
"So you see Song, a true muslim will not "memaki" nenek moyong, children or keturunan of the accused person that they are not happy with. "
did i " memaki " any of your family here?
Dalam Islam tiada istilah semangat Kebangsaan @ patriotisme, yang ada hanyalah semangat Islam! Tentunya Islam ini lebih besar pengaruhnya berbanding Kebangsaan, kerana ia membawa pengaruh seantero dunia, bahkan semangat menuju ke akhirat –bukan hanya semangat pada sebuah Negara, bahkan sekadar untuk urusan dunia semata.
Sebagai Muslim, wajib bagi kita menerima dan memahami bagaimana Islam mendidik ummatnya untuk menerima ilmu Islam sebagai suatu cara hidup, tiada cara yang lain melainkan Islam semata2!
Islam menjanjikan kesejahteraan kehidupan dunia yang berkesinambungan ke akhirat. Tiada semangat lain di dunia ini yang boleh menjamin kehidupan manusia selamat di akhirat, tetapi ia dijamin dalam Islam.
Islam tiada batasnya untuk apa jua bangsa dan keturunan mana sekalipun!
Sangat benar bahawa semangat Kebangsaan yang ditawarkan oleh kepartian adalah suatu kesalahan akidah dalam perjuangannya di bumi Malaysia ini.
Bukan sekadar kesalahan akidah, tetapi di mana sebenarnya semangat cintakan Negara yang cuba ditonjolkan oleh pemerintah @ NGO?
Sangat terang dan bersuluh bahawa semangat kemerdekaan pada rakyat umum berada pada tahap merudum dan sangat menyedihkan.
Song
I was only telling you the above; for your information.
I didn't say that that you "maki" my family.
I was just telling you.
So after this if we want to maki among ourself, let us not get our family involve.
Agree?
My own opinion with this "ketuanan melayu".
If by this "ketuanan melayu" means that only melayu can memerintah this country then I absolutely disagree and that would be unfair and rubbish. If by "ketuanan melayu" it means to preserve and mendaulatkan our malay culture and language, then by all means please proceed with it. I am all for it.
Perhaps rather than "ketuanan melayu", its better for us to call for "ketuanan Islam". This is much wider perspective than our small racist based view.
Here all races can be a pemerintah; no matter chinese, indian, sabahan dll and off course with one condition i.e. they must be muslim.
Regards
been away for 2 days and the comments tripled? interesting...
TIRED, i like your points and arguments, civilly presented.
Ikhwan, though i don't agree with (most) of your lee-butt-tel(s), i actually enjoyed your writing more than RT
Song, this topic has gone south, let's wait for RT next masterpiece and see how 'enlightening' it is.
I bet it has more 'facts' that non-malays are ultrakiasu, unpatriotic and the scourge of all things evil in msia.
Sambungan kepada posting ana jam 937 am ....
Semasa pilihanraya kecil Sibu baru-baru ini, DAP menegaskan,
" The question of PAS Islamic state is never an issue because PAS will never rule when Pakatan becomes government " (Soal negara Islam PAS tidak timbul kerana PAS tidak akan memerintah didalam Kerajaan Pakatan Rakyat)
Tak kan Nik Aziz, Hadi Awang dan Nasrudin Tantawi tak terasa di hati kut bila rakan sekelambu kata macam tu.
Jadi bila ana kata ente bertiga ni " pipi tak mancung tapi serban yang tersorong2 " memang betui la tu.
Ana kasihan dengan orang2 melayu yang menjadi pengikut ente bertiga.
Pengikut ente bertiga tertarik dengan label " islam " yang di bawa. Tapi mereka tak sedar bahawa melayu mungkin akan tenggelam dan terbenam di dasar laut di pukul dek gelombang ombak besar gara2 kapal DAP dan PKR yang melintas lalu.
ikhwan,
"ketuanan Islam" sounds ok for me.
but, with all due respect to the rulers, how about ketuanan rakyat?
Dave,
okie dokie :)
Bila kacang lupakan kulit Ogos 2009
Selaku rakyat berbangsa Cina, saya amat berasa bertuah hidup di bumi bertuah ini. Orang Cina (juga India) bernasib baik kerana kerajaan Malaysia sejak sebelum dan selepas merdeka, tidak banyak berusaha sama sekali mengasimilasikan mereka walaupun kerajaan berhak melakukannya terhadap mereka yang berhijrah. Mereka adalah seperti orang Cina seadanya seperti mereka di negeri China. Bersekolah, berbudaya, bertutur dan semua cara hidup berasaskan keCinaan (atau keIndiaan). Mana ada negara di dunia seperti ini?
Berbanding dengan negara lain, seperti Thailand dan Indonesia serta lain-lain negara dunia, mereka yang berhijrah mesti diasimilasikan dahulu sebelum menjadi warga negara di sana. Kita lihat di Thailand, pada tahun 1930an semua identiti kaum Cina dihapuskan termasuk meroboh semua sekolah Cina. Hari ini, orang Cina di Thailand sudah tidak seperti orang Cina.
Mereka telah diasimilasikan menjadi orang Thai (Siam). Tidak ada beza antara orang Thai dan orang Cina. Cina yang sudah tidak ada semangat Cina. Malah mereka tidak ada keinginan langsung untuk pergi ke negeri China. Begitu juga di Indonesia. Banyak lagi contoh lain yang boleh saya ketengahkan. Ini yang menjadikan saya sedar diri dan bersyukur.
Komen aku:
Menyesal mengapa pemimpin dahulu tidak mengasimilasasikan Orang Cina dan India :).Inikah yg aq (Melayu) dpt hasil drpd tolak ansur org Melayu(dahulu),dicop,label,dipatri rasis lagi.
By the way,
another correction to my own correction about LCW.
He is indeed a product of "partial" sekolah vernakular i.e.Sekolah jenis kebangsaan (Cina) Jit Sin
Sila rujuk: badmintonathletes.blogspot.com/.../lee-chong-wei-profile.html
(Nota: kesahihan sumber tidak dapat dipastikan)
(My comment: I knew that my guess was correct)
tokgaru,
Tak dapat nak cakap panjang la ni, tapi nak kata saya sokong sungguh pendapat Sdr.
Saya belom baca kata kata Anwar Al whatever tu. Dari apa yang Sdr katakan, memang nampak DAP dan PKR sengaja nak pergunakan PAS.
Saya dah sangka lama dah Lim Kit Siang mau bersatu dibawah PR dengan tujuan mau pergunakan PAS semata mata. Saya syak wasangka Anwarul juga biaq pi PAS disitu sebab jadi convenient untuk depa tambah undi. Tapi saya tak jangak dia sampai ke peringkat ini. Sampai mahu umumkan Lim Kit Siang akan jadi TPM jika PR memerintah.
Tapi kalau kita pikiaq panjang sikit, kot boleh nampak sebab dan hala tujuan Anwarul. Dia mahukan DAP pastikan dengan kedudukan Anwar sebagai calun PM bagi PR. Dia tarik hati DAP lah. Laknatullah tu sanggup buat apa saja.
Dia tau DAP yang bisin dan hingaq semata. PAS main ikut saja. Mcm lembu dicucuk hidung. Kita dah nampak SiNIzar diPerak masa jadi MB dulu. Jadi, kpd Anwarul, PAS tak masuk kira sangat. Pada dia, apa pun, PAS akan ikut.
Saya tak kesiankan Nik Aziz. Dia tak sampai kemana. Dapat pegang tangan Lee Kuan Yew pun dah keluaq ayak lioq. Dapat sebantal dengan Kit Siang pun sudah bukan main syurga. Dia tak lama lagi diarena politik.
Tapi saya kesiankan Hadi Awang, Nasruddin dll tu. Depa tak masuk buku Anwarul pun. Kot tak masuk buku Kit Siang dan Guan Eng juga. Apa pun, Anwarul dah kata Kit Siang calon DPM dia.
Nanti bila lapang kita berbual lagi, tokgaru.
Song said 'somebody by the name of 'Hazil' throwing tantrum and sulking in MI just because his comments were NOT published'.
Song, dah berapa kali dulu saya cakap jangan guna taktik kuno ultrakiasu iaitu ignore, divert and...tak faham2 lagi.
Saya cakap MI tak siar komen saya anda ketawakan saya. Saya ok kalau seribu ultrakiasu nak ketawakan saya sebab they are so predictable.
Tapi kalau komen anda tidak disiarkan di sini, anda tentu tidak akan berhenti menyalak spt org spt anda menyalak semenjak Malaysia Today dan Malaysiakini diwujudkan dulu. Entah dah berapa tahun lepas, laman web menjadi tempat anda menghina org lain hingga ke nenek moyang diungkit. Wah, vely holly la you people.
Satu perkara yg saya pelajari dr komen2 ultrakiasu ni, mereka pantang ditegur. Tapi kami masih lagi menerima anda di sini.
Saya boleh faham kalau media kerajaan enggan menyiarkan komen yg menghentam kerajaan. But I expect more than 100 % from the so called free and independent media like MI and not just as biased as BN.
Song, cuba fikir cara rasional, anda makin kelihatan spt kebudak2an di forum ini. Patutlah zendra tak nak layan anda.
Hazil,
Song said you throwing tantrum in MI.
Rasanya nak berpantun melayu sikit: "paku dulang paku serpih, mengata orang dia yang lebih."
Padahal yang dia punya tantrum dekat sini tu lagi la teruk. Sampai Dr RT terpaksa padamkan. Too much. Saya pun tak sanggup nak baca.
saya sempat capture saat "ketantruman" dia pagi tadi. Tengok komen saya pukul 10.00 am.
Sabar la Hazil
Kebenaran itu akan terserlah jua
Ada yang bangkitkan " Ketuanan Rakyat". Tahu ke apa itu ketuanan rakyat. Pada saya "Ketuanan Rakyat" bermaksud rakyat yang menjadi tuan. Apabila disebut rakyat, bermakna ada pemerintah. Siapa pemerintah itu jika bukan kesultanan Melayu. Apabila disebut ketuanan Rakyat bermaksud rakyat yang menjadi tuan. Jika rakyat dah jadi tuan, sultan pula menjadi apa?
Oleh itu konsep ketuanan rakyatini harus dan ditolak dan dibakul sampahkan kerana jelas dan nyata ianya bercanggah dengan perlembagaan yang menyatakan bahawa Agung adalah pemerintah,manakala kita semua adalah rakyat jelata baginda.
Dave posted at 2:07pm: "Song, this topic has gone south, let's wait for RT next masterpiece and see how 'enlightening' it is.
I bet it has more 'facts' that non-malays are ultrakiasu, unpatriotic and the scourge of all things evil in msia."
Dave,
I think you made a mistake there and let me correct it for you:
(I think Dr RT would agree with this)
Dr RT future, current and past masterpiece with all the facts were not directed towards "non malay". It is only meant for the Ultrakiasu Chinese (also some malay as well!) Chauvinist aka Malaysian "alien".
I think Malaysian are lucky that in the sense, most people from other countries were only able to take some blurry picture of Alien spaceship and make some speculation about them. But here in Malaysia, we could see them (this "alien") among us, walking, talking and even worse try to claim to be Malaysian!
I believe most of this other non malays including the bumiputra people, indian, orang asli (or perhaps I should use the catchy name "orang asal" that has been invented by these Ultrakiasu provocater) are true Malaysian and I welcome them with my open arms.
So to recap: The non malays are not ultra kiasu but the Ultrakiasu people is the ultrakiasu, and is unpatriotic....
and indeed as you said Dave; The scourge of all things evil in malaysia. Truly indeed!
Saudara Pembangkang DAP
Terima kasih kerana sentuh saya punya posting tentang pakatan Anwar - Lim Kit Siang.
Yang boleh saya katakan adalah"The 3 Stooges" yang saya sebut dalam posting saya sebelum ini bahawa mereka bertiga adalah contoh pemimpin islam yang tak ada maruah, tak ada harga diri, tak ada prinsip, dan kerana itulah saya melabelkan mereka sebagai "pipi tak mancung tapi serban yang tersorong2" (ini adalah perumpamaan ciptaan saya sendiri yang hanya sesuai digunakan kepada orang2 Pas yang mengaku sebagai pejuang islam sahaja).
Saya perhatikan para ular dalam semak Pas ini (merujuk kepada ulamak2 Pas) mereka hanya garang dan berani mematuk pada spesis yang sama jenis dengan mereka sahaja iaitu para ulamak dan pemimpin Umno. Tapi dengan spesis yang tak sama jenis dengan mereka, mereka sama ada diam membisu atau turut memberikan sokongan.
Banyak dah yang berlaku, diantaranya adalah pemimpin DAP jaja ayat2 suci al-quran, pemimpin DAP tafsir ayat al-quran ikut apa yang dia faham (terbaru pemimpin PKR tafsir ayat surah al-imran), pemimpin DAP masuk dalam surau beri tazkirah kepada makmum, gereja menggunakan kalimah Allah dan banyak lagi.
Semua yang saya sebut tadi disokong dan dibolehkah oleh ketua ular dalam seluar mereka iaitu Nik Aziz. Dan para ular dalam semak Pas yang lain2nya senyap dan jadi bisu tak berani nak tegur Nik Aziz.
Yang sebenarnya para pemimpin kafir tu hafal 1 - 2 ayat2 quran bukan kerana mereka dah faham islam (kalau betul dah faham dan boleh terima islam - masuk islam saja lah nak tunggu apa lagi ) tapi kerana mereka nampak itu lah peluang mereka untuk menarik sokongan orang islam kepada mereka (supaya orang islam Pas undi parti mereka di kawasan yang Pas tak letak calon). Nik Aziz saja yang kata itu tandanya pemimpin kafir pun dah faham islam lebih baik daripada pemimpin Umno.
Ini pendekatan saya, (tapi islam tak membenarkan). Jika saya jadi pemimpin politik dalam Pas, sungguh pun saya seorang islam, tidak menjadi masalah bagi saya untuk membaca dan menghafal ayat2 suci semua kitab agama yang digunakan oleh penganut kristian, buddhist dan hindu untuk saya aplikasikan semasa saya memberi ceramah kepada pendengar yang terdiri daripada berbagai latar belakang agama. Niat saya hanya satu sahaja iaitu untuk memenangi hati mereka supaya mereka menerima dan menyokong parti saya dikawasan yang bukan islam tak letak calon.
Ini lah pendekatan yang digunakan oleh para pemimpin kafir sejak mendapat lampu hijau daripada Nik Aziz. Nawaitu mereka tak susah untuk dibaca, cuma Nik Aziz saja yang tak reti nak baca.
Kepada saudara2 penyokong Pas, saya nak bagi tahu dengan hati yang ikhlas, saya tak memusuhi dan tak menolak Pas secara total, saya boleh terima Pas dan perjuangan Pas walau pun saya ini nampak lebih pro kepada Umno. Saya sayang kedua2nya kerana, Umno melayu Pas pun melayu juga, Umno islam Pas juga islam. Tapi hati saya tidak ada sedikit pun untuk Anwar/PKR apa lagi lah dengan DAP.
Kalau Nik Aziz dah tak ada dalam Pas, dan orang seperti Hadi Awang yang pernah mencadangkan kerajaan perpaduan dengan Umno satu masa dulu berjaya memimpin Pas kearah penyatuan umat melayu, bukan mustahil saya beralih menjadi pro Pas dan pro Umno.
Ketemu lagi.
Saya berpendapat Pas tanpa nik aziz akan lebih mudah diterima oleh orang melayu. Pas tanpa berpakat dengan DAP dan PKR akan lebih disenangi oleh orang melayu.
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